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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/8] dcache: show count of hash buckets in sysctl fs.dentry-state
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 13:03:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200508200320.GS16070@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34ed1b12-1bee-8158-3084-fb1059b6686a@redhat.com>

On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 04:00:08PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> On 5/8/20 3:38 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> > On 08/05/2020 22.05, Waiman Long wrote:
> > > On 5/8/20 12:16 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> > > > On 08/05/2020 17.49, Waiman Long wrote:
> > > > > On 5/8/20 8:23 AM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> > > > > > Count of buckets is required for estimating average
> > > > > > length of hash chains.
> > > > > > Size of hash table depends on memory size and printed once at boot.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Let's expose nr_buckets as sixth number in sysctl fs.dentry-state
> > > > > 
> > > > > The hash bucket count is a constant determined at boot time.
> > > > > Is there a need to use up one dentry_stat entry for that?
> > > > > Besides one can get it by looking up the kernel dmesg log
> > > > > like:
> > > > > 
> > > > > [    0.055212] Dentry cache hash table entries: 8388608
> > > > > (order: 14, 67108864 bytes)
> > > > 
> > > > Grepping logs since boot time is a worst API ever.
> > > > 
> > > > dentry-state shows count of dentries in various states.
> > > > It's very convenient to show count of buckets next to it,
> > > > because this number defines overall scale.
> > > 
> > > I am not against using the last free entry for that. My only concern
> > > is when we want to expose another internal dcache data point via
> > > dentry-state, we will have to add one more number to the array which
> > > can cause all sort of compatibility problem. So do we want to use
> > > the last free slot for a constant that can be retrieved from
> > > somewhere else?
> > 
> > I see no problem in adding more numbers into sysctl.
> > Especially into such rarely used.
> > This interface is designed for that.
> > 
> > Also fields 'age_limit' and 'want_pages' are unused since kernel 2.2.0
> 
> Well, I got rebuke the last time I want to reuse one of age_limit/want_pages
> entry for negative dentry count because of the potential of breaking some
> really old applications or tools. Changing dentry-state to output one more
> number can potentially break compatibility too. That is why I am questioning
> if it is a good idea to use up the last free slot.

I'd rather see the nr_buckets exposed some other way, leaving this file
for dynamic state.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-08 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-08 12:23 [PATCH RFC 0/8] dcache: increase poison resistance Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] dcache: show count of hash buckets in sysctl fs.dentry-state Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 14:49   ` Waiman Long
2020-05-08 16:16     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 19:05       ` Waiman Long
2020-05-08 19:38         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 20:00           ` Waiman Long
2020-05-08 20:03             ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] selftests: add stress testing tool for dcache Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-13  1:52   ` Dave Chinner
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] dcache: sweep cached negative dentries to the end of list of siblings Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 19:38   ` Waiman Long
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] fsnotify: stop walking child dentries if remaining tail is negative Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] dcache: add action D_WALK_SKIP_SIBLINGS to d_walk() Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] dcache: stop walking siblings if remaining dentries all negative Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] dcache: push releasing dentry lock into sweep_negative Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 12:23 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] dcache: prevent flooding with negative dentries Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 14:56   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-08 16:29     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-05-08 21:07   ` Waiman Long
2020-12-09 23:01 ` [PATCH RFC 0/8] dcache: increase poison resistance Junxiao Bi
     [not found]   ` <CALYGNiN2F8gcKX+2nKOi1tapquJWfyzUkajWxTqgd9xvd7u1AA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-12-13 18:49     ` Junxiao Bi
     [not found]       ` <CALYGNiM8Fp=ZV8S6c2L50ne1cGhE30PrT-C=4nfershvfAgP+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2020-12-14 23:10         ` Junxiao Bi
2020-12-16 18:46           ` Junxiao Bi

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