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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Iurii Zaikin <yzaikin@google.com>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add a new sysctl knob: unprivileged_userfaultfd_user_mode_only
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 00:59:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200520045938.GC26186@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200508125314-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Hello everyone,
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 12:54:03PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 12:52:34PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 05:26:32PM -0700, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> > > This sysctl can be set to either zero or one. When zero (the default)
> > > the system lets all users call userfaultfd with or without
> > > UFFD_USER_MODE_ONLY, modulo other access controls. When
> > > unprivileged_userfaultfd_user_mode_only is set to one, users without
> > > CAP_SYS_PTRACE must pass UFFD_USER_MODE_ONLY to userfaultfd or the API
> > > will fail with EPERM. This facility allows administrators to reduce
> > > the likelihood that an attacker with access to userfaultfd can delay
> > > faulting kernel code to widen timing windows for other exploits.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>
> >
> > The approach taken looks like a hard-coded security policy.
> > For example, it won't be possible to set the sysctl knob
> > in question on any sytem running kvm. So this is
> > no good for any general purpose system.
> >
> > What's wrong with using a security policy for this instead?
>
> In fact I see the original thread already mentions selinux,
> so it's just a question of making this controllable by
> selinux.
I agree it'd be preferable if it was not hardcoded, but then this
patchset is also much simpler than the previous controlling it through
selinux..
I was thinking, an alternative policy that could control it without
hard-coding it, is a seccomp-bpf filter, then you can drop 2/2 as
well, not just 1/6-4/6.
If you keep only 1/2, can't seccomp-bpf enforce userfaultfd to be
always called with flags==0x1 without requiring extra modifications in
the kernel?
Can't you get the feature party with the CAP_SYS_PTRACE capability
too, if you don't wrap those tasks with the ptrace capability under
that seccomp filter?
As far as I can tell, it's unprecedented to create a flag for a
syscall API, with the only purpose of implementing a seccomp-bpf
filter verifying such flag is set, but then if you want to control it
with LSM it's even more complex than doing it with seccomp-bpf, and it
requires more kernel code too. We could always add 2/2 later, such
possibility won't disappear, in fact we could also add 1/6-4/6 later
too if that is not enough.
If we could begin by merging only 1/2 from this new series and be done
with the kernel changes, because we offload the rest of the work to
the kernel eBPF JIT, I think it'd be ideal.
Thanks,
Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-20 4:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-23 0:26 [PATCH 0/2] Control over userfaultfd kernel-fault handling Daniel Colascione
2020-04-23 0:26 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add UFFD_USER_MODE_ONLY Daniel Colascione
2020-07-24 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-24 14:46 ` Lokesh Gidra
2020-07-26 10:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-04-23 0:26 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add a new sysctl knob: unprivileged_userfaultfd_user_mode_only Daniel Colascione
2020-05-06 19:38 ` Peter Xu
2020-05-07 19:15 ` Jonathan Corbet
2020-05-20 4:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-05-08 16:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-05-08 16:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-05-20 4:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2020-05-20 18:03 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-20 19:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-05-20 19:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-05-20 20:17 ` Lokesh Gidra
2020-05-20 21:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-07-17 12:57 ` Jeffrey Vander Stoep
2020-07-23 17:30 ` Lokesh Gidra
2020-07-24 0:13 ` Nick Kralevich
2020-07-24 13:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-08-06 0:43 ` Nick Kralevich
2020-08-06 5:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-08-17 22:11 ` Lokesh Gidra
2020-09-04 3:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2020-09-05 0:36 ` Lokesh Gidra
2020-09-19 18:14 ` Nick Kralevich
2020-07-24 14:01 ` [PATCH 0/2] Control over userfaultfd kernel-fault handling Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-24 14:41 ` Lokesh Gidra
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