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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/36] Large pages in the page cache
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:57:51 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200522025751.GX2005@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200522000411.GI28818@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:11PM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 08:49:06AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > Ok, so the main issue I have with the filesystem/iomap side of
> > things is that it appears to be adding "transparent huge page"
> > awareness to the filesysetm code, not "large page support".
> > 
> > For people that aren't aware of the difference between the
> > transparent huge and and a normal compound page (e.g. I have no idea
> > what the difference is), this is likely to cause problems,
> > especially as you haven't explained at all in this description why
> > transparent huge pages are being used rather than bog standard
> > compound pages.
> 
> The primary reason to use a different name from compound_*
> is so that it can be compiled out for systems that don't enable
> CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE.  So THPs are compound pages, as they always
> have been, but for a filesystem, using thp_size() will compile to either
> page_size() or PAGE_SIZE depending on CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE.

Again, why is this dependent on THP? We can allocate compound pages
without using THP, so why only allow the page cache to use larger
pages when THP is configured?

i.e. I don't know why this is dependent on THP because you haven't
explained why this only works for THP and not just plain old
compound pages....

> Now, maybe thp_size() is the wrong name, but then you need to suggest
> a better name ;-)

First you need to explain why THP is requirement for large pages in
the page cache when most of the code changes I see only care if the
page is a compound page or not....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-22  2:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-15 13:16 Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 01/36] mm: Move PageDoubleMap bit Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 02/36] mm: Simplify PageDoubleMap with PF_SECOND policy Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 03/36] mm: Allow hpages to be arbitrary order Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-28 14:19   ` Zi Yan
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 04/36] mm: Introduce thp_size Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 05/36] mm: Introduce thp_order Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 06/36] mm: Introduce offset_in_thp Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:39   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-22 17:15   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-29 12:59     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 07/36] fs: Add a filesystem flag for large pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-21 21:55   ` Dave Chinner
2020-05-21 23:29     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 08/36] fs: Do not update nr_thps for large page mappings Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 09/36] fs: Introduce i_blocks_per_page Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 10/36] fs: Make page_mkwrite_check_truncate thp-aware Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-21 22:01   ` Dave Chinner
2020-05-21 23:30     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 11/36] fs: Support THPs in zero_user_segments Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-25  4:55   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 12/36] bio: Add bio_for_each_thp_segment_all Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 13/36] iomap: Support arbitrarily many blocks per page Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 14/36] iomap: Support large pages in iomap_adjust_read_range Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-21 22:24   ` Dave Chinner
2020-05-21 23:39     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 15/36] iomap: Support large pages in read paths Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 16/36] iomap: Support large pages in write paths Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 17/36] iomap: Inline data shouldn't see large pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 18/36] iomap: Handle tail pages in iomap_page_mkwrite Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 19/36] xfs: Support large pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 20/36] mm: Make prep_transhuge_page return its argument Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 21/36] mm: Add __page_cache_alloc_order Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 22/36] mm: Allow large pages to be added to the page cache Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 23/36] mm: Allow large pages to be removed from " Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 24/36] mm: Remove page fault assumption of compound page size Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-25  4:59   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 25/36] mm: Fix total_mapcount assumption of " Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 26/36] mm: Avoid splitting large pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 27/36] mm: Fix truncation for pages of arbitrary size Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 28/36] mm: Support storing shadow entries for large pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 29/36] mm: Support retrieving tail pages from the page cache Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 30/36] mm: Support tail pages in wait_for_stable_page Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 31/36] mm: Add DEFINE_READAHEAD Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 32/36] mm: Make page_cache_readahead_unbounded take a readahead_control Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 33/36] mm: Make __do_page_cache_readahead " Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 34/36] mm: Allow PageReadahead to be set on head pages Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 35/36] mm: Add large page readahead Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-15 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 36/36] mm: Align THP mappings for non-DAX Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-26 22:05   ` William Kucharski
2020-05-26 22:20     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-21 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 00/36] Large pages in the page cache Dave Chinner
2020-05-22  0:04   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-22  2:57     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2020-05-22  3:05       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-25 23:07         ` Dave Chinner
2020-05-26  1:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-28 11:00 ` William Kucharski

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