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From: Kees Cook <email@example.com>
To: Pavel Begunkov <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <email@example.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <email@example.com>,
Jann Horn <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
Stefano Garzarella <email@example.com>,
Christian Brauner <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
Linux API <email@example.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: strace of io_uring events?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:07:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202007151511.2AA7718@keescook> (raw)
Earlier Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> Let’s add some seccomp folks. We probably also want to be able to run
> seccomp-like filters on io_uring requests. So maybe io_uring should call into
> seccomp-and-tracing code for each action.
Okay, I'm finally able to spend time looking at this. And thank you to
the many people that CCed me into this and earlier discussions (at least
Jann, Christian, and Andy).
It *seems* like there is a really clean mapping of SQE OPs to syscalls.
To that end, yes, it should be trivial to add ptrace and seccomp support
(sort of). The trouble comes for doing _interception_, which is how both
ptrace and seccomp are designed.
In the basic case of seccomp, various syscalls are just being checked
for accept/reject. It seems like that would be easy to wire up. For the
more ptrace-y things (SECCOMP_RET_TRAP, SECCOMP_RET_USER_NOTIF, etc),
I think any such results would need to be "upgraded" to "reject". Things
are a bit complex in that seccomp's form of "reject" can be "return
errno" (easy) or it can be "kill thread (or thread_group)" which ...
becomes less clear. (More on this later.)
In the basic case of "I want to run strace", this is really just a
creative use of ptrace in that interception is being used only for
reporting. Does ptrace need to grow a way to create/attach an io_uring
eventfd? Or should there be an entirely different tool for
administrative analysis of io_uring events (kind of how disk IO can be
For io_uring generally, I have a few comments/questions:
- Why did a new syscall get added that couldn't be extended? All new
syscalls should be using Extended Arguments. :(
- Why aren't the io_uring syscalls in the man-page git? (It seems like
they're in liburing, but that's should document the _library_ not the
Speaking to Stefano's proposal:
- There appear to be three classes of desired restrictions:
- opcodes for io_uring_register() (which can be enforced entirely with
seccomp right now).
- opcodes from SQEs (this _could_ be intercepted by seccomp, but is
not currently written)
- opcodes of the types of restrictions to restrict... for making sure
things can't be changed after being set? seccomp already enforces
that kind of "can only be made stricter"
- Credentials vs no_new_privs needs examination (more on this later)
So, I think, at least for restrictions, seccomp should absolutely be
the place to get this work done. It already covers 2 of the 3 points in
Solving the mapping of seccomp interception types into CQEs (or anything
more severe) will likely inform what it would mean to map ptrace events
to CQEs. So, I think they're related, and we should get seccomp hooked
up right away, and that might help us see how (if) ptrace should be
Specifically for seccomp, I see at least the following design questions:
- How does no_new_privs play a role in the existing io_uring credential
management? Using _any_ kind of syscall-effective filtering, whether
it's seccomp or Stefano's existing proposal, needs to address the
potential inheritable restrictions across privilege boundaries (which is
what no_new_privs tries to eliminate). In regular syscall land, this is
an issue when a filter follows a process through setuid via execve()
and it gains privileges that now the filter-creator can trick into
doing weird stuff -- io_uring has a concept of alternative credentials
so I have to ask about it. (I don't *think* there would be a path to
install a filter before gaining privilege, but I likely just
need to do my homework on the io_uring internals. Regardless,
use of seccomp by io_uring would need to have this issue "solved"
in the sense that it must be "safe" to filter io_uring OPs, from a
- From which task perspective should filters be applied? It seems like it
needs to follow the io_uring personalities, as that contains the
credentials. (This email is a brain-dump so far -- I haven't gone to
look to see if that means io_uring is literally getting a reference to
struct cred; I assume so.) Seccomp filters are attached to task_struct.
However, for v5.9, seccomp will gain a more generalized get/put system
for having filters attached to the SECCOMP_RET_USER_NOTIF fd. Adding
more get/put-ers for some part of the io_uring context shouldn't
- How should seccomp return values be applied? Three seem okay:
SECCOMP_RET_ALLOW: do SQE action normally
SECCOMP_RET_LOG: do SQE action, log via seccomp
SECCOMP_RET_ERRNO: skip actions in SQE and pass errno to CQE
The rest not so much:
SECCOMP_RET_TRAP: can't send SIGSYS anywhere sane?
SECCOMP_RET_TRACE: no tracer, can't send SIGSYS?
SECCOMP_RET_USER_NOTIF: can't do user_notif rewrites?
SECCOMP_RET_KILL_THREAD: kill which thread?
SECCOMP_RET_KILL_PROCESS: kill which thread group?
If TRAP, TRACE, and USER_NOTIF need to be "upgraded" to KILL_THREAD,
what does KILL_THREAD mean? Does it really mean "shut down the entire
SQ?" Does it mean kill the worker thread? Does KILL_PROCESS mean kill
all the tasks with an open mapping for the SQ?
Anyway, I'd love to hear what folks think, but given the very direct
mapping from SQE OPs to syscalls, I really think seccomp needs to be
inserted in here somewhere to maintain any kind of sensible reasoning
about syscall filtering.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-15 23:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-15 11:12 Miklos Szeredi
2020-07-15 14:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-15 17:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-15 19:42 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-15 20:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-07-15 20:20 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-15 23:07 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-07-16 13:14 ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-16 15:12 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-17 8:01 ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-21 15:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 15:31 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 17:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 17:30 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 17:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 18:39 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 19:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-21 19:48 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-21 19:56 ` Andres Freund
2020-07-21 19:37 ` Andres Freund
2020-07-21 15:58 ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-23 10:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-23 13:37 ` Colin Walters
2020-07-24 7:25 ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-07-16 13:17 ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-07-16 15:19 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-17 8:17 ` Cyril Hrubis
2020-07-16 16:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-16 0:12 ` tytso
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