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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: peterz@infradead.org
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] memcg: Enable fine-grained per process memory control
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:30:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200818103059.GP28270@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200818101844.GO2674@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue 18-08-20 12:18:44, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 12:05:16PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > But then how can it run-away like Waiman suggested?
> > 
> > As Chris mentioned in other reply. This functionality is quite new.
> >  
> > > /me goes look... and finds MEMCG_MAX_HIGH_DELAY_JIFFIES.
> > 
> > We can certainly tune a different backoff delays but I suspect this is
> > not the problem here.
> 
> Tuning? That thing needs throwing out, it's fundamentally buggered. Why
> didn't anybody look at how the I/O drtying thing works first?
> 
> What you need is a feeback loop against the rate of freeing pages, and
> when you near the saturation point, the allocation rate should exactly
> match the freeing rate.
> 
> But this thing has nothing what so ever like that.

Existing usecases seem to be doing fine with the existing
implementation. If we find out that this is insufficient then we can
work on that but I believe this is tangent to this email thread. There
are no indications that the current implementation doesn't throttle
enough. The proposal also aims at much richer interface to define the
oom behavior.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-18 10:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-17 14:08 Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] memcg: Enable fine-grained control of over memory.high action Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:30   ` Chris Down
2020-08-17 15:38     ` Waiman Long
2020-08-17 16:11       ` Chris Down
2020-08-17 16:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-08-17 16:56     ` Chris Down
2020-08-18 19:12       ` Waiman Long
2020-08-18 19:14     ` Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] memcg, mm: Return ENOMEM or delay if memcg_over_limit Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] memcg: Allow the use of task RSS memory as over-high action trigger Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] fs/proc: Support a new procfs memctl file Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] memcg: Allow direct per-task memory limit checking Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] memcg: Introduce additional memory control slowdown if needed Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] memcg: Enable logging of memory control mitigation action Waiman Long
2020-08-17 14:08 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] memcg: Add over-high action prctl() documentation Waiman Long
2020-08-17 15:26 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] memcg: Enable fine-grained per process memory control Michal Hocko
2020-08-17 15:55   ` Waiman Long
2020-08-17 19:26     ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-18 19:20       ` Waiman Long
2020-08-18  9:14 ` peterz
2020-08-18  9:26   ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-18  9:59     ` peterz
2020-08-18 10:05       ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-18 10:18         ` peterz
2020-08-18 10:30           ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-08-18 10:36             ` peterz
2020-08-18 13:49           ` Johannes Weiner
2020-08-21 19:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-24 16:58               ` Johannes Weiner
2020-09-07 11:47                 ` Chris Down
2020-09-09 11:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-18 10:17       ` Chris Down
2020-08-18 10:26         ` peterz
2020-08-18 10:35           ` Chris Down
2020-08-23  2:49         ` Waiman Long
2020-08-18  9:27   ` Chris Down
2020-08-18 10:04     ` peterz
2020-08-18 12:55       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-20  6:11         ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-18 19:30     ` Waiman Long
2020-08-18 19:27   ` Waiman Long

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