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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivan@redhat.com>,
Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
Chirantan Ekbote <chirantan@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: xattr names for unprivileged stacking?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:14:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200901151453.GC558530@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200901145205.GA558530@mit.edu>
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:52:05AM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 01:34:05PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >
> > But, unlike your implication that this is -really complex and hard
> > to do-, it's actually relatively trivial to do with the XFS
> > implementation I mentioned as each ADS stream is a fully fledged
> > inode that can point to shared data extents. If you can do data
> > manipulation on a regular inode, you'll be able to do it on an ADS,
> > and that includes copying ADS streams via reflink.
>
> Is the reflink system call on a file with ADS's atomic, or not? What
> if there are a million files is ADS hierarchy which is 100
> subdirectories deep in some places, comprising several TB's worth of
> data? Is that all going to fit in a single XFS transaction? What if
> you crash in the middle of it? Is a partially reflinked copy of an
> ADS file OK? Or a reflinked ADS file missing some portion of the
> alternate data streams?
Oh, and if the answer is that the ADS inodes should be reflinked
individually in userspace, wonderful! An ADS inode could then just be
a directory, like it was in the NeXT operating system, and copying an
ADS file could *also* be done in userspace, as a cp -r. :-)
That's fine too, and keeps the file system completely out of it. :-)
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-01 15:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-28 10:55 Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-28 13:08 ` Greg Kurz
2020-07-28 13:55 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-04 11:28 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-04 13:51 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-12 11:18 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-12 13:34 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-12 14:33 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-13 9:01 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-16 22:56 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-16 23:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-17 0:29 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-17 10:37 ` file forks vs. xattr (was: xattr names for unprivileged stacking?) Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-23 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-24 15:30 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-24 20:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-24 21:26 ` Frank van der Linden
2020-08-24 22:29 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-08-25 15:12 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-25 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-27 12:02 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-27 12:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-27 13:48 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-27 14:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-27 14:23 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-27 14:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-27 14:44 ` Al Viro
2020-08-27 16:29 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-27 16:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-28 9:11 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-28 14:46 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-08-27 15:22 ` xattr names for unprivileged stacking? Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-27 22:24 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-29 16:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-29 16:13 ` Al Viro
2020-08-29 17:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-29 18:04 ` Al Viro
2020-08-29 18:22 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2020-08-29 19:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-29 19:25 ` Al Viro
2020-08-30 19:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-30 19:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 7:34 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-31 11:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 11:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-31 13:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 14:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-08-31 14:25 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-08-31 14:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 14:49 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-09-01 3:34 ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-01 14:52 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-09-01 15:14 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2020-09-02 5:19 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-31 18:02 ` Andreas Dilger
2020-09-01 3:48 ` Dave Chinner
2020-08-29 19:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-29 19:40 ` Al Viro
2020-08-29 20:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 14:23 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-08-31 14:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-31 16:11 ` Christian Schoenebeck
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