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From: Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>
To: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	x86@kernel.org, libffi-discuss@sourceware.org, luto@kernel.org,
	David.Laight@ACULAB.COM, mark.rutland@arm.com, mic@digikod.net,
	pavel@ucw.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 21:46:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200923014616.GA1216401@rani.riverdale.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96ea02df-4154-5888-1669-f3beeed60b33@linux.microsoft.com>

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:36:02AM -0500, Madhavan T. Venkataraman wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/16/20 8:04 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * madvenka:
> > 
> >> Examples of trampolines
> >> =======================
> >>
> >> libffi (A Portable Foreign Function Interface Library):
> >>
> >> libffi allows a user to define functions with an arbitrary list of
> >> arguments and return value through a feature called "Closures".
> >> Closures use trampolines to jump to ABI handlers that handle calling
> >> conventions and call a target function. libffi is used by a lot
> >> of different applications. To name a few:
> >>
> >> 	- Python
> >> 	- Java
> >> 	- Javascript
> >> 	- Ruby FFI
> >> 	- Lisp
> >> 	- Objective C
> > 
> > libffi does not actually need this.  It currently collocates
> > trampolines and the data they need on the same page, but that's
> > actually unecessary.  It's possible to avoid doing this just by
> > changing libffi, without any kernel changes.
> > 
> > I think this has already been done for the iOS port.
> > 
> 
> The trampoline table that has been implemented for the iOS port (MACH)
> is based on PC-relative data referencing. That is, the code and data
> are placed in adjacent pages so that the code can access the data using
> an address relative to the current PC.
> 
> This is an ISA feature that is not supported on all architectures.
> 
> Now, if it is a performance feature, we can include some architectures
> and exclude others. But this is a security feature. IMO, we cannot
> exclude any architecture even if it is a legacy one as long as Linux
> is running on the architecture. So, we need a solution that does
> not assume any specific ISA feature.

Which ISA does not support PIC objects? You mentioned i386 below, but
i386 does support them, it just needs to copy the PC into a GPR first
(see below).

> 
> >> The code for trampoline X in the trampoline table is:
> >>
> >> 	load	&code_table[X], code_reg
> >> 	load	(code_reg), code_reg
> >> 	load	&data_table[X], data_reg
> >> 	load	(data_reg), data_reg
> >> 	jump	code_reg
> >>
> >> The addresses &code_table[X] and &data_table[X] are baked into the
> >> trampoline code. So, PC-relative data references are not needed. The user
> >> can modify code_table[X] and data_table[X] dynamically.
> > 
> > You can put this code into the libffi shared object and map it from
> > there, just like the rest of the libffi code.  To get more
> > trampolines, you can map the page containing the trampolines multiple
> > times, each instance preceded by a separate data page with the control
> > information.
> > 
> 
> If you put the code in the libffi shared object, how do you pass data to
> the code at runtime? If the code we are talking about is a function, then
> there is an ABI defined way to pass data to the function. But if the
> code we are talking about is some arbitrary code such as a trampoline,
> there is no ABI defined way to pass data to it except in a couple of
> platforms such as HP PA-RISC that have support for function descriptors
> in the ABI itself.
> 
> As mentioned before, if the ISA supports PC-relative data references
> (e.g., X86 64-bit platforms support RIP-relative data references)
> then we can pass data to that code by placing the code and data in
> adjacent pages. So, you can implement the trampoline table for X64.
> i386 does not support it.
> 

i386 just needs a tiny bit of code to copy the PC into a GPR first, i.e.
the trampoline would be:

	call	1f
1:	pop	%data_reg
	movl	(code_table + X - 1b)(%data_reg), %code_reg
	movl	(data_table + X - 1b)(%data_reg), %data_reg
	jmp	*(%code_reg)

I do not understand the point about passing data at runtime. This
trampoline is to achieve exactly that, no? 

Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-23  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <210d7cd762d5307c2aa1676705b392bd445f1baa>
2020-09-16 15:08 ` madvenka
2020-09-16 15:08   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] [RFC] fs/trampfd: Implement the trampoline file descriptor API madvenka
2020-09-16 15:08   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] [RFC] x86/trampfd: Provide support for the trampoline file descriptor madvenka
2020-09-16 15:08   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] [RFC] arm64/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-09-16 15:08   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] [RFC] arm/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-09-17  1:04   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor Florian Weimer
2020-09-17 15:36     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-17 15:57       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-17 16:01         ` Florian Weimer
2020-09-23  1:46       ` Arvind Sankar [this message]
2020-09-23  9:11         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-23 19:17           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23 19:51             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-23 23:51               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-24 20:23               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-24 20:52                 ` Florian Weimer
2020-09-25 22:22                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-27 18:25                     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-24 22:13                 ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-24 23:43                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-25 22:44                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-26 15:55                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-27 17:59                       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-22 21:53 ` madvenka
2020-09-22 21:53   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] [RFC] fs/trampfd: Implement the trampoline file descriptor API madvenka
2020-09-22 21:53   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] [RFC] x86/trampfd: Provide support for the trampoline file descriptor madvenka
2020-09-22 21:53   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] [RFC] arm64/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-09-22 21:53   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] [RFC] arm/trampfd: " madvenka
2020-09-22 21:54   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23  8:14   ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-23  9:14     ` Solar Designer
2020-09-23 14:11       ` Solar Designer
2020-09-23 15:18         ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-23 18:00           ` Solar Designer
2020-09-23 18:21             ` Solar Designer
2020-09-23 14:39       ` Florian Weimer
2020-09-23 18:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-23 18:11         ` Solar Designer
2020-09-23 18:49           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-09-23 23:53         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23 19:41       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23 18:10     ` James Morris
2020-09-23 18:32     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23  8:42   ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-23 18:56     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-23 20:51       ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-23 23:04         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2020-09-24 16:44         ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-09-24 22:05           ` Pavel Machek
2020-09-25 10:12             ` Mickaël Salaün

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