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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Eric Sandeen <esandeen@redhat.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: the "read" syscall sees partial effects of the "write" syscall
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:02:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjZNopeE_FWGhNe0uBSf9d0jJ_t3bwD8R9cUzZLHt0BZA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200918131317.GH18920@quack2.suse.cz>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:13 AM Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> Yes, but no Linux filesystem (except for XFS AFAIK) follows the POSIX spec
> in this regard.

Yeah, and we never have. As you say, performance sucks, and nobody has
ever cared.

So the standard in this case is just something that we'll never
follow, and should just be ignored. It's irrelevant.

There are other places we don't follow POSIX either.

Feel free to document it (I think it's currently just a "everybody
knows" kind of undocumented thing).

             Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-18 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-15 12:34 [RFC] nvfs: a filesystem for persistent memory Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-15 13:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-15 13:24   ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-22 10:04   ` Ritesh Harjani
2020-09-15 15:16 ` Dan Williams
2020-09-15 16:58   ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-15 17:38     ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-16 10:57       ` [PATCH] pmem: export the symbols __copy_user_flushcache and __copy_from_user_flushcache Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-16 16:21         ` Dan Williams
2020-09-16 17:24           ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-16 17:40             ` Dan Williams
2020-09-16 18:06               ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-21 16:20                 ` NVFS XFS metadata (was: [PATCH] pmem: export the symbols __copy_user_flushcache and __copy_from_user_flushcache) Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-22  5:03                   ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-22 16:46                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-22 17:25                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-24 15:00                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-28 15:22                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-23  2:45                       ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-23  9:20                         ` A bug in ext4 with big directories (was: NVFS XFS metadata) Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-23  9:44                           ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 12:46                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-23 20:20                             ` Andreas Dilger
2020-09-23 17:19                         ` NVFS XFS metadata (was: [PATCH] pmem: export the symbols __copy_user_flushcache and __copy_from_user_flushcache) Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-23  9:57                       ` Jan Kara
2020-09-23 13:11                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-23 15:04                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-22 12:28                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-22 12:39                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-16 18:56               ` [PATCH] pmem: fix __copy_user_flushcache Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-18  1:53                 ` Dan Williams
2020-09-18 12:25                   ` the "read" syscall sees partial effects of the "write" syscall Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-18 13:13                     ` Jan Kara
2020-09-18 18:02                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-09-20 23:41                       ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-17  6:50               ` [PATCH] pmem: export the symbols __copy_user_flushcache and __copy_from_user_flushcache Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-21 16:19   ` [RFC] nvfs: a filesystem for persistent memory Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-21 16:29     ` Dan Williams
2020-09-22 15:43     ` Ira Weiny

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