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From: Hugh Dickins <>
To: Jann Horn <>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <>,
	Andrew Morton <>,
	Linus Torvalds <>,
	Christoph Hellwig <>,
	kernel list <>,
	Linux-MM <>,
	linux-fsdevel <>,
	Alexander Viro <>,
	"Eric W . Biederman" <>,
	Oleg Nesterov <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/7] mm: Remove the now-unnecessary mmget_still_valid() hack
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.11.2008311346370.3722@eggly.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

I didn't answer your questions further down, sorry, resuming...

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 8:07 AM Hugh Dickins <> wrote:
> > but the "pmd .. physical page 0" issue is explained better in its parent
> > 18e77600f7a1 ("khugepaged: retract_page_tables() remember to test exit")
> Just to clarify: This is an issue only between GUP's software page

Not just GUP's software page table walks: any of our software page
table walks that could occur concurrently (notably, unmapping when

> table walks when running without mmap_lock and concurrent page table
> modifications from hugepage code, correct?


> Hardware page table walks

Have no problem: the necessary TLB flush is already done.

> and get_user_pages_fast() are fine because they properly load PTEs
> atomically and are written to assume that the page tables can change
> arbitrarily under them, and the only guarantee is that disabling
> interrupts ensures that pages referenced by PTEs can't be freed,
> right?

mm/gup.c has changed a lot since I was familiar with it, and I'm
out of touch with the history of architectural variants.  I think
internal_get_user_pages_fast() is now the place to look, and I see

		gup_pgd_range(addr, end, fast_flags, pages, &nr_pinned);

reassuringly there, which is how x86 always used to do it,
and the dependence of x86 TLB flush on IPIs made it all safe.

Looking at gup_pmd_range(), its operations on pmd (= READ_ONCE(*pmdp))
look correct to me, and where I said "any of our software page table
walks" above, there should be an exception for GUP_fast.

But the other software page table walks are more loosely coded, and
less able to fall back - if gup_pmd_range() catches sight of a fleeting
*pmdp 0, it rightly just gives up immediately on !pmd_present(pmd);
whereas tearing down a userspace mapping needs to wait or retry on
seeing a transient state (but mmap_lock happens to give protection
against that particular transient state).

I assume that all the architectures which support GUP_fast have now
been gathered into the same mechanism (perhaps by an otherwise
superfluous IPI on TLB flush?) and are equally safe.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-31 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-27 11:49 [PATCH v5 0/7] Fix ELF / FDPIC ELF core dumping, and use mmap_lock properly in there Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] binfmt_elf_fdpic: Stop using dump_emit() on user pointers on !MMU Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] coredump: Let dump_emit() bail out on short writes Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] coredump: Refactor page range dumping into common helper Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] coredump: Rework elf/elf_fdpic vma_dump_size() " Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] binfmt_elf, binfmt_elf_fdpic: Use a VMA list snapshot Jann Horn
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] mm/gup: Take mmap_lock in get_dump_page() Jann Horn
2020-08-27 17:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-27 11:49 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] mm: Remove the now-unnecessary mmget_still_valid() hack Jann Horn
2020-08-31  6:06   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-31  9:58     ` Jann Horn
2020-08-31 20:36       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-31 21:30       ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2020-08-27 17:15 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Fix ELF / FDPIC ELF core dumping, and use mmap_lock properly in there Linus Torvalds

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