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From: "Doug Smythies" <dsmythies@telus.net>
To: "'Thomas Ilsche'" <thomas.ilsche@tu-dresden.de>,
	"'Rafael J. Wysocki'" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: "'Peter Zijlstra'" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"'Linux PM'" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'Frederic Weisbecker'" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"'Thomas Gleixner'" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"'Paul McKenney'" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"'Rik van Riel'" <riel@surriel.com>,
	"'Aubrey Li'" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	"'Mike Galbraith'" <mgalbraith@suse.de>,
	"'LKML'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Doug Smythies" <dsmythies@telus.net>
Subject: RE: [RFT][PATCH v7 6/8] sched: idle: Select idle state before stopping the tick
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:41:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <006501d3c6d5$2d03e500$870baf00$@net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1CoHfInOKlebY1CoMfMNTB

On 2018.03.28 08:15 Thomas Ilsche wrote:
> On 2018-03-28 12:56, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Thomas Ilsche
>>> <thomas.ilsche@tu-dresden.de> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-03-28 10:13, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>>
>> 
>> [cut]
>> 
>>>
>>> So I do
>>>
>>> $ for cpu in 0 1 2 3; do taskset -c $cpu sh -c 'while true; do usleep
>>> 500; done' & done
>>>
>>> which is a shell kind of imitation of the above and I cannot see this
>>> issue at all.
>>>
>>> I count the number of times data->next_timer_us in menu_select() is
>>> greater than TICK_USEC and while this "workload" is running, that
>>> number is exactly 0.
>>>
>>> I'll try with a C program still.
>> 
>> And with a C program I see data->next_timer_us greater than TICK_USEC
>> while it is running, so let me dig deeper.
>> 
>
> I can confirm that a shell-loop behaves differently like you describe.
> Even if it's just a shell-loop calling "main{usleep(500);}" binary.

I normally use the C program method.
The timer there returns with the need_sched() flag set.

I do not seem to have usleep on my system, but when using sleep in a
shell loop, the timer returns without the need_resched() flag set.

Most of my test results involving varying the value of
POLL_IDLE_COUNT are total garbage, because I was using the
C program method, and thus exiting the poll_idle loop based
on the need_resched() flag and not the POLL_IDLE_COUNT
setting. 

I don't know if I can re-do the work, because I
do not have a good way to get my system to use Idle
State 0 with any real workflow, and I seem to get into
side effect issues when I disable other idle states to 
force more use of idle state 0.

... Doug

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-28 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 15:12 [RFT][PATCH v7 0/8] sched/cpuidle: Idle loop rework Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:13 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 1/8] time: tick-sched: Reorganize idle tick management code Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:15 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 2/8] sched: idle: Do not stop the tick upfront in the idle loop Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:15 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 3/8] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 18:00   ` [Correction][RFT][PATCH v7 3/8] sched: idle: Do not stop the tick before cpuidle_idle_call() Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:16 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 4/8] jiffies: Introduce USER_TICK_USEC and redefine TICK_USEC Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:45 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 5/8] cpuidle: Return nohz hint from cpuidle_select() Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21  6:48   ` [RFT][PATCH v7.1 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 11:52     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 13:03   ` [RFT][PATCH v7.2 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 14:36   ` [RFT][PATCH v7 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 17:59     ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-21 22:15       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-22 13:18         ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-22 17:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-22  6:24       ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-22 15:41       ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-22 17:21         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 18:23     ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-22 17:40   ` [RFT][PATCH v7.3 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-28  9:14     ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-30  9:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-04-10 15:22         ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-22 20:46   ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-20 15:45 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 6/8] sched: idle: Select idle state before stopping the tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-27 21:50   ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-27 22:10     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-28  8:13       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-28  8:38         ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-28 10:37           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-28 10:56             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-28 15:15               ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-28 20:41               ` Doug Smythies [this message]
2018-03-28 23:11                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:46 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 7/8] cpuidle: menu: Refine idle state selection for running tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 15:47 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 8/8] cpuidle: menu: Avoid selecting shallow states with stopped tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 17:52 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 3/8] sched: idle: Do not stop the tick upfront in the idle loop Doug Smythies
2018-03-20 18:01   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 12:31 ` [RFT][PATCH v7 0/8] sched/cpuidle: Idle loop rework Rik van Riel
2018-03-21 13:55   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 14:53     ` Rik van Riel

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