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From: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: "Boris Ostrovsky" <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 11/39] KVM: x86/xen: evtchn signaling via eventfd
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 17:15:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <05661003-64f0-a32a-5659-6463d4806ef9@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <315ea414c2bf938978f7f2c0598e80fa05b4c07b.camel@infradead.org>

On 11/30/20 4:48 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 15:08 +0000, Joao Martins wrote:
>> On 11/30/20 12:55 PM, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 12:17 +0000, Joao Martins wrote:
>>>> On 11/30/20 9:41 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2019-02-20 at 20:15 +0000, Joao Martins wrote:
>>>> One thing I didn't quite do at the time, is the whitelisting of unregistered
>>>> ports to userspace. Right now, it's a blacklist i.e. if it's not handled in
>>>> the kernel (IPIs, timer vIRQ, etc) it goes back to userspace. When the only
>>>> ones which go to userspace should be explicitly requested as such
>>>> and otherwise return -ENOENT in the hypercall.
>>>
>>> Hm, why would -ENOENT be a fast path which needs to be handled in the
>>> kernel?
>>>
>>
>> It's not that it's a fast path.
>>
>> Like sending an event channel to an unbound vector, now becomes an possible vector to
>> worry about in userspace VMM e.g. should that port lookup logic be fragile.
>>
>> So it's more along the lines of Nack-ing the invalid port earlier to rather go
>> to go userspace to invalidate it, provided we do the lookup anyway in the kernel.
> 
> If the port lookup logic is fragile, I *want* it in the sandboxed
> userspace VMM and not in the kernel :)
> 
Yes definitely -- I think we are on the same page on that.

But it's just that we do the lookup *anyways* to check if the kernel has a given
evtchn port registered. That's the lookup I am talking about here, with just an
extra bit to tell that's a userspace handled port.

> And unless we're going to do *all* of the EVTCHNOP_bind*, EVTCHN_close,
> etc. handling in the kernel, doesn't userspace have to have all that
> logic for managing the port space anyway?
> 
Indeed.

> I think it's better to let userspace own it outright, and use the
> kernel bypass purely for the fast paths. The VMM can even implement
> IPI/VIRQ support in userspace, then use the kernel bypass if/when it's
> available.
> 
True, and it's pretty much how it's implemented today.

But felt it was still worth having this discussion ... should this be
considered or discarded. I suppose we stick with the later for now.

>>>> Perhaps eventfd could be a way to express this? Like if you register
>>>> without an eventfd it's offloaded, otherwise it's assigned to userspace,
>>>> or if neither it's then returned an error without bothering the VMM.
>>>
>>> I much prefer the simple model where the *only* event channels that the
>>> kernel knows about are the ones it's expected to handle.
>>>
>>> For any others, the bypass doesn't kick in, and userspace gets the
>>> KVM_EXIT_HYPERCALL exit.
>>>
>>
>> /me nods
>>
>> I should comment on your other patch but: if we're going to make it generic for
>> the userspace hypercall handling, might as well move hyper-v there too. In this series,
>> I added KVM_EXIT_XEN, much like it exists KVM_EXIT_HYPERV -- but with a generic version
>> I wonder if a capability could gate KVM_EXIT_HYPERCALL to handle both guest types, while
>> disabling KVM_EXIT_HYPERV. But this is probably subject of its own separate patch :)
> 
> There's a limit to how much consolidation we can do because the ABI is
> different; the args are in different registers.
> 
Yes. It would be optionally enabled of course and VMM would have to adjust to the new ABI
-- surely wouldn't want to break current users of KVM_EXIT_HYPERV.

> I do suspect Hyper-V should have marshalled its arguments into the
> existing kvm_run->arch.hypercall and used KVM_EXIT_HYPERCALL but I
> don't think it makes sense to change it now since it's a user-facing
> ABI. I don't want to follow its lead by inventing *another* gratuitous
> exit type for Xen though.
> 
I definitely like the KVM_EXIT_HYPERCALL better than a KVM_EXIT_XEN userspace
exit type ;)

But I guess you still need to co-relate a type of hypercall (Xen guest cap enabled?) to
tell it's Xen or KVM to specially enlighten certain opcodes (EVTCHNOP_send).

	Joao

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-30 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-20 20:15 [PATCH RFC 00/39] x86/KVM: Xen HVM guest support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 01/39] KVM: x86: fix Xen hypercall page msr handling Joao Martins
2019-02-22  1:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-22 11:47     ` Joao Martins
2019-02-22 12:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 10:39       ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 11:03         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-30 11:27           ` David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 02/39] KVM: x86/xen: intercept xen hypercalls if enabled Joao Martins
2019-02-21 18:29   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-21 20:56     ` Joao Martins
2019-02-22  0:30       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-02-22 12:50         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-01  9:48   ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-01 11:19     ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 11:17       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 12:12         ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02  5:19     ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-02  8:03       ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 18:20         ` Ankur Arora
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 03/39] KVM: x86/xen: register shared_info page Joao Martins
2020-12-01 13:07   ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02  0:40     ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-02  1:26       ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02  5:17         ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-02 10:50           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 10:44       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 12:20         ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 20:32           ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-03 10:16             ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-04 17:30               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-12-02 20:33         ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-12 12:07       ` David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 04/39] KVM: x86/xen: setup pvclock updates Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 05/39] KVM: x86/xen: update wallclock region Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 06/39] KVM: x86/xen: register vcpu info Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 07/39] KVM: x86/xen: register vcpu time info region Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 08/39] KVM: x86/xen: register steal clock Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 09/39] KVM: x86: declare Xen HVM guest capability Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 10/39] KVM: x86/xen: support upcall vector Joao Martins
2020-12-02 11:17   ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 13:12     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 16:47       ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 18:34         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 19:02           ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-02 20:12             ` Joao Martins
2020-12-02 20:37               ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-03  1:08             ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-08 16:08             ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-09  6:35               ` Ankur Arora
2020-12-09 10:27                 ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-09 10:51                   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 11:39                     ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-09 13:26                       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 15:41                         ` David Woodhouse
2020-12-09 16:12                           ` Joao Martins
2021-01-01 14:33           ` David Woodhouse
2021-01-05 12:11             ` Joao Martins
2021-01-05 13:23               ` David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 11/39] KVM: x86/xen: evtchn signaling via eventfd Joao Martins
2020-11-30  9:41   ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 12:17     ` Joao Martins
2020-11-30 12:55       ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 15:08         ` Joao Martins
2020-11-30 16:48           ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 17:15             ` Joao Martins [this message]
2020-11-30 18:01               ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 18:41                 ` Joao Martins
2020-11-30 19:04                   ` David Woodhouse
2020-11-30 19:25                     ` Joao Martins
2021-11-23 13:15           ` David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 12/39] KVM: x86/xen: store virq when assigning evtchn Joao Martins
     [not found]   ` <b750291466f3c89e0a393e48079c087704b217a5.camel@amazon.co.uk>
2022-02-10 12:17     ` Joao Martins
2022-02-10 15:23       ` [EXTERNAL] " David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 13/39] KVM: x86/xen: handle PV timers oneshot mode Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 14/39] KVM: x86/xen: handle PV IPI vcpu yield Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 15/39] KVM: x86/xen: handle PV spinlocks slowpath Joao Martins
2022-02-08 12:36   ` David Woodhouse
2022-02-10 12:17     ` Joao Martins
2022-02-10 14:11       ` David Woodhouse
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 16/39] KVM: x86: declare Xen HVM evtchn offload capability Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 17/39] x86/xen: export vcpu_info and shared_info Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 18/39] x86/xen: make hypercall_page generic Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 19/39] xen/xenbus: xenbus uninit support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 20/39] xen-blkback: module_exit support Joao Martins
2019-02-25 18:57   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2019-02-26 11:20     ` Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 21/39] KVM: x86/xen: domid allocation Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 22/39] KVM: x86/xen: grant table init Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 23/39] KVM: x86/xen: grant table grow support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 24/39] KVM: x86/xen: backend hypercall support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 25/39] KVM: x86/xen: grant map support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 26/39] KVM: x86/xen: grant unmap support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 27/39] KVM: x86/xen: grant copy support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 28/39] KVM: x86/xen: interdomain evtchn support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:15 ` [PATCH RFC 29/39] KVM: x86/xen: evtchn unmask support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 30/39] KVM: x86/xen: add additional evtchn ops Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 31/39] xen-shim: introduce shim domain driver Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 32/39] xen/balloon: xen_shim_domain() support Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 33/39] xen/grant-table: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 34/39] xen/gntdev: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 35/39] xen/xenbus: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 36/39] drivers/xen: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 37/39] xen-netback: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 38/39] xen-blkback: " Joao Martins
2019-02-20 20:16 ` [PATCH RFC 39/39] KVM: x86: declare Xen HVM Dom0 capability Joao Martins
2019-02-20 21:09 ` [PATCH RFC 00/39] x86/KVM: Xen HVM guest support Paolo Bonzini
2019-02-21  0:29   ` Ankur Arora
2019-02-21 11:45   ` Joao Martins
2019-02-22 16:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-03-12 17:14       ` Joao Martins
2019-04-08  6:44         ` Juergen Gross
2019-04-08 10:36           ` Joao Martins
2019-04-08 10:42             ` Juergen Gross
2019-04-08 17:31               ` Joao Martins
2019-04-09  0:35                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2019-04-10  5:50                   ` [Xen-devel] " Ankur Arora
2019-04-10 20:45                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2019-04-09  5:04                 ` Juergen Gross
2019-04-10  6:55                   ` Ankur Arora
2019-04-10  7:14                     ` Juergen Gross
2019-02-20 23:39 ` [Xen-devel] " Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2019-02-21  0:31   ` Ankur Arora
2019-02-21  7:57   ` Juergen Gross
2019-02-21 12:00     ` Joao Martins
2019-02-21 11:55   ` Joao Martins

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