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From: Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
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	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] Control Flow Enforcement - Part (3)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:52:29 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09b7cc16ee5275d4ef3dffb11942e3f2ba44aedd.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWCEjuM56J8dqXPR==MevJTYKan5dnAMFJaXzFMYr8Q_A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 2018-06-18 at 14:44 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 8:16 PM Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2018-06-14 at 07:56 -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2018-06-14 at 11:07 +1000, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 08:03 -0700, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 20:56 +1000, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 08/06/18 00:37, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> > > > > > > This series introduces CET - Shadow stack
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > At the high level, shadow stack is:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >       Allocated from a task's address space with vm_flags VM_SHSTK;
> > > > > > >       Its PTEs must be read-only and dirty;
> > > > > > >       Fixed sized, but the default size can be changed by sys admin.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For a forked child, the shadow stack is duplicated when the next
> > > > > > > shadow stack access takes place.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For a pthread child, a new shadow stack is allocated.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The signal handler uses the same shadow stack as the main program.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Even with sigaltstack()?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not convinced that it would work, as we switch stacks, oveflow might
> > > > be an issue. I also forgot to bring up setcontext(2), I presume those
> > > > will get new shadow stacks
> > > 
> > > Do you mean signal stack/sigaltstack overflow or swapcontext in a signal
> > > handler?
> > > 
> > 
> > I meant any combination of that. If there is a user space threads implementation that uses sigaltstack for switching threads
> > 
> 
> Anyone who does that is nuts.  The whole point of user space threads
> is speed, and signals are very slow.  For userspace threads to work,
> we need an API to allocate new shadow stacks, and we need to use the
> extremely awkwardly defined RSTORSSP stuff to switch.  (I assume this
> is possible on an ISA level.  The docs are bad, and the mnemonics for
> the relevant instructions are nonsensical.)

The whole point was to ensure we don't break applications/code that work
today. I think as long as there is a shadow stack allocated corresponding
to the user space stack and we can Restore SSP as we switch things should be
fine.

Balbir Singh.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-19  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-07 14:37 Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:37 ` [PATCH 01/10] x86/cet: User-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 16:37   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 17:46     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 17:55       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-07 18:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 11:56   ` Balbir Singh
2018-06-12 15:03     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:37 ` [PATCH 02/10] x86/cet: Introduce WRUSS instruction Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 16:40   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 16:51     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 20:31       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-11  8:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-11 15:02       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-14  1:30   ` Balbir Singh
2018-06-14 14:43     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 03/10] x86/cet: Signal handling for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:30   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 18:58     ` Florian Weimer
2018-06-07 19:51       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 20:07     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-06-07 20:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 12:07         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-06-07 20:12     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 20:17       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 04/10] x86/cet: Handle thread " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 19:47     ` Florian Weimer
2018-06-07 20:53       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 14:53         ` Florian Weimer
2018-06-08 15:01           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 15:50             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 05/10] x86/cet: ELF header parsing of Control Flow Enforcement Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 20:40     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 06/10] x86/cet: Add arch_prctl functions for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 20:30     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 21:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 22:02         ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-07 23:01           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08  4:09             ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-08  4:38               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 12:24                 ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-08 14:57                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 15:52                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2018-06-08  4:22           ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-08  4:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-08 12:17               ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-12 10:03           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-06-12 11:43             ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-12 16:01               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 16:05                 ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-12 16:34                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 16:51                     ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-12 18:59                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-06-12 19:34                         ` H.J. Lu
2018-06-18 22:03                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19  0:52                             ` Kees Cook
2018-06-19  6:40                               ` Florian Weimer
2018-06-19 14:50                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 16:44                                 ` Kees Cook
2018-06-19 16:59                                   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-19 17:07                                     ` Kees Cook
2018-06-19 17:20                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 20:12                                         ` Kees Cook
2018-06-19 20:47                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 22:38                                             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-20  0:50                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-21 23:07                                                 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: Prevent mprotect from changing " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: Prevent mremap of " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 20:18     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: Prevent madvise from changing " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 20:54   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 21:09   ` Nadav Amit
2018-06-07 21:18     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 14:38 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: Prevent munmap and remap_file_pages of " Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-07 18:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-07 20:15     ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-12 10:56 ` [PATCH 00/10] Control Flow Enforcement - Part (3) Balbir Singh
2018-06-12 15:03   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-12 16:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 16:21       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-12 16:31         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 17:24           ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-12 20:15             ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-14  1:07     ` Balbir Singh
2018-06-14 14:56       ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-17  3:16         ` Balbir Singh
2018-06-18 21:44           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19  8:52             ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2018-06-26  2:46 ` Jann Horn
2018-06-26 14:56   ` Yu-cheng Yu
2018-06-26  5:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-26 14:56   ` Yu-cheng Yu

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