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From: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>,
	swhiteho@redhat.com, sfrench@samba.org, vandrove@vc.cvut.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:51:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1201495911.8132.18.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801280538.25345.ak@suse.de>


On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 05:38 +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Monday 28 January 2008 05:13:09 Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 03:58 +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > The problem is that it's not a race in who gets to do its thing first, but a 
> > > parallel reader can actually see a corrupted value from the two independent 
> > > words on 32bit (e.g. during a 4GB). And this could actually completely corrupt 
> > > f_pos when it happens with two racing relative seeks or read/write()s
> > > 
> > > I would consider that a bug.
> > 
> > I disagree. The corruption occurs because this isn't a situation that is
> > allowed by either POSIX or SUSv2/v3. Exactly what spec are you referring
> > to here?
> 
> No specific spec, just general quality of implementation. We normally don't have
> non thread safe system calls even if it was in theory allowed by some specification.

We've had the existing implementation for quite some time. The arguments
against changing it have been the same all along: if your application
wants to share files between threads, the portability argument implies
that you should either use pread/pwrite or use a mutex or some other
form of synchronisation primitive in order to ensure that
lseek()/read()/write() do not overlap.

Cheers
  Trond

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-28  4:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-27  2:17 [PATCH] [0/18] Implement some low hanging BKL removal fruit in fs/* Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [1/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext2 over to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [2/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect BKL comment in ext2 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [3/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext3 to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  5:33   ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-28  6:02     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [4/18] ext3: Remove incorrect BKL comment Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [5/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect comment refering to lock_kernel() from jbd/jbd2 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [6/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext4 to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [7/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect comments refering to BKL from ext4 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 16:57   ` Steve French
2008-01-27 17:56     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-27 22:18       ` Steve French
2008-01-27 23:08         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-28  2:58           ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  4:13             ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-28  4:38               ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  4:51                 ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2008-01-28  5:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-28  8:17                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 18:33                     ` Steve French
2008-01-28 19:34                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-28 12:56                   ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 13:27                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 13:38                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 14:10                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 14:50                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 15:13                           ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-28  2:44         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  2:43     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [9/18] BKL-removal: Use unlocked_ioctl for jfs Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 23:05   ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [10/18] BKL-removal: Implement a compat_ioctl handler for JFS Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 23:05   ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [11/18] BKL-removal: Convert ocfs2 over to unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [12/18] BKL-removal: Convert CIFS " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [13/18] BKL-removal: Add compat_ioctl for cifs Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [14/18] BKL-removal: Add unlocked_fasync Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  7:05   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [15/18] BKL-removal: Convert pipe over to unlocked_fasync Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [16/18] BKL-removal: Convert socket fasync " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [17/18] BKL-removal: Convert fuse " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [18/18] BKL-removal: Convert bad_inode " Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  1:59 ` [PATCH] [0/18] Implement some low hanging BKL removal fruit in fs/* Nick Piggin
2008-01-28  3:15   ` Andi Kleen
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2008-01-28  9:44         ` [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek Bodo Eggert

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