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From: "Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>,
Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
Julian Satran <Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Integration of SCST in the mainstream Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:59:40 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1202165980.11265.653.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080204224314.113afe7b@core>
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:43 +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > better. So for example, I personally suspect that ATA-over-ethernet is way
> > better than some crazy SCSI-over-TCP crap, but I'm biased for simple and
> > low-level, and against those crazy SCSI people to begin with.
>
> Current ATAoE isn't. It can't support NCQ. A variant that did NCQ and IP
> would probably trash iSCSI for latency if nothing else.
>
In the previous iSCSI vs. FCoE points (here is the link again):
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ips/current/msg02325.html
the latency discussion is the one bit that is not mentioned. I always
assumed that back then (as with today) the biggest issue was getting
ethernet hardware, espically switching equipment down to the sub
millisecond latency, and on par with what you would expect from 'real
RDMA' hardware. In lowest of the low, say sub 10 ns latency, which is
apparently possible with point to point on high-end 10 Gb/sec adapters
today, it would be really interesting to know how much more latency
would be expected between software iSCSI vs. *oE when we work our way
back up the networking stack.
Julo, do you have any idea on this..?
--nab
>
> Alan
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-04 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-23 14:22 Bart Van Assche
2008-01-23 17:11 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-29 20:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-29 21:31 ` Roland Dreier
2008-01-29 23:32 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-30 1:15 ` [Scst-devel] " Vu Pham
2008-01-30 8:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 10:56 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-30 11:40 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-30 13:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 13:54 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-31 7:48 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 13:25 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 14:34 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 14:44 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 15:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-31 16:25 ` [Scst-devel] " Joe Landman
2008-01-31 17:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 17:13 ` Joe Landman
2008-01-31 18:12 ` David Dillow
2008-02-01 11:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-01 11:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-01 12:25 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-31 17:14 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-31 17:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-31 18:15 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 9:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 8:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 10:39 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 11:04 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 12:05 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-01 13:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-01 14:36 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-30 16:34 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-30 16:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-02 15:32 ` Pete Wyckoff
2008-02-05 17:01 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-06 12:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-06 16:45 ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-06 17:06 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-18 9:43 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-18 11:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-20 7:34 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-20 8:41 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 11:18 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-01-30 8:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-01-30 16:22 ` James Bottomley
2008-01-30 17:03 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 7:14 ` [Scst-devel] " Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-02-05 13:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 16:07 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-02-05 16:21 ` Ming Zhang
2008-02-05 16:43 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 17:09 ` Matteo Tescione
2008-02-06 1:29 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-06 2:01 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-01-30 11:17 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 12:27 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 13:53 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-04 17:00 ` David Dillow
2008-02-04 17:08 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 16:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 15:30 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 16:25 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 17:06 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 17:16 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 17:25 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 17:56 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 18:22 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 18:38 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 18:54 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05 18:59 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 19:13 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-06 18:07 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-07 13:13 ` [Scst-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-07 13:45 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-07 22:51 ` david
2008-02-08 10:37 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 7:40 ` david
2008-02-08 11:33 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-08 14:36 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-08 23:53 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-15 15:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-07 15:38 ` [Scst-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-07 20:37 ` Luben Tuikov
2008-02-08 10:32 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 7:32 ` Luben Tuikov
2008-02-11 10:02 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-08 11:53 ` [Scst-devel] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-08 14:42 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-09 0:00 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 18:49 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 19:06 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 19:19 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 20:06 ` [Scst-devel] " 4news
2008-02-04 20:24 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 21:01 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-04 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-04 22:00 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 22:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-04 23:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 0:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 8:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-06 10:22 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-06 14:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 13:05 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-02-05 18:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 19:01 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-04 22:43 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-04 17:30 ` Douglas Gilbert
2008-02-05 2:07 ` [Scst-devel] " Chris Weiss
2008-02-05 14:19 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-04 22:59 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger [this message]
2008-02-04 23:00 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 23:12 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-04 23:16 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-05 18:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-04 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 19:01 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 19:21 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-06 0:11 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 1:43 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-12 16:05 ` [Scst-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-13 3:44 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-13 6:18 ` CONFIG_SLUB and reproducable general protection faults on 2.6.2x Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-13 16:37 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:17 ` Integration of SCST in the mainstream Linux kernel Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:48 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-06 0:51 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2008-02-05 0:07 ` Matt Mackall
2008-02-05 0:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-05 0:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-05 0:45 ` Matt Mackall
2008-02-05 4:43 ` [Scst-devel] " Matteo Tescione
2008-02-05 5:07 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05 13:38 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-02-05 19:00 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-02-05 17:10 ` Erez Zilber
2008-02-05 19:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-02-05 19:02 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
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