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From: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hpa@zytor.com,
	mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Peter Chubb <peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint	restart
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:51:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225140705.5115.40.camel@enoch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4905F648.4030402@cs.columbia.edu>

On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 13:11 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 07:03 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
> >>> In our implementation, we simply refused to checkpoint setid
> >> programs.
> >>
> >> True. And this works very well for HPC applications.
> >>
> >> However, it doesn't work so well for server applications, for
> >> instance.
> >>
> >> Also, you could use file system snapshotting to ensure that the file
> >> system view does not change, and still face the same issue.
> >>
> >> So I'm perfectly ok with deferring this discussion to a later time :)
> > 
> > Oren, is this a good place to stick a process_deny_checkpoint()?  Both
> > so we refuse to checkpoint, and document this as something that has to
> > be addressed later?
> 
> why refuse to checkpoint ?

	If most setuid programs hold privileged resources for extended periods
of time after dropping privileges then it seems like a good idea to
refuse to checkpoint. Restart of those programs would be quite
unreliable unless/until we find a nice solution.

> if I'm root, and I want to checkpoint, and later restart, my sshd server
> (assuming we support listening sockets) - then why not ?
> we can just let it be, and have the restart fail (if it isn't root that
> does the restart); perhaps add something like warn_checkpoint() (similar
> to deny, but only warns) ?

	How will folks not specializing in checkpoint/restart know when to use
this as opposed to deny?

	Instead, how about a flag to sys_checkpoint() -- DO_RISKY_CHECKPOINT --
which checkpoints despite !may_checkpoint?

Cheers,
	-Matt Helsley


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-27 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-20  5:40 [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 1/9] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 2/9] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 19:41   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:24     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 20:41       ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-22  1:33       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22  2:55         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22  3:02           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22 14:29             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-22 15:28         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 16:02           ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-22 17:03             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-22 18:32               ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27  8:27             ` Peter Chubb
2008-10-27 11:03               ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 16:42                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 17:11                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 20:51                     ` Matt Helsley [this message]
2008-10-27 21:20                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-27 21:51                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 22:09                         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 18:33                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 3/9] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 4/9] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 5/9] Restore " Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 6/9] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2008-10-28 16:48   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 7/9] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 8/9] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2008-10-20  5:40 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 9/9] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 19:21 ` [RFC v7][PATCH 0/9] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:41   ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-22  9:20     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 11:51       ` Daniel Lezcano

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