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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] [GIT PULL][v2.6.39] tracing/filter: More robust filtering
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:33:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1297776787.23343.104.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110215044425.GA9994@elte.hu>

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 05:44 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> hi Steve,
> 
> * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> > Steven Rostedt (14):
> >       tracing/filter: Have no filter return a match
> >       tracing/filter: Move OR and AND logic out of fn() method
> >       tracing/filter: Dynamically allocate preds
> >       tracing/filter: Call synchronize_sched() just once for system filters
> >       tracing/filter: Allocate the preds in an array
> >       tracing/filter: Free pred array on disabling of filter
> >       tracing/filter: Use a tree instead of stack for filter_match_preds()
> >       tracing/filter: Optimize short ciruit check
> >       tracing/filter: Check the created pred tree
> >       tracing/filter: Optimize filter by folding the tree
> >       tracing/filter: Move MAX_FILTER_PRED to local tracing directory
> >       tracing/filter: Increase the max preds to 2^14
> >       tracing/filter: Swap entire filter of events
> >       tracing/filter: Remove synchronize_sched() from __alloc_preds()
> 
> I finally got around testing the various tracing filter features we have.
> 

[ snip all the perf output ]

> So ... i have to say that this tracing filter business is unusable crap from a user 
> POV right now and i see no reason to pull *anything* in this area until it does not 
> get improved to *much* better levels of usability and utility.
> 
> Nobody could *ever* have tested this with a 'naive but curious user' hat on and this 
> is really sad. We need to do much better!

Sorry I did not work with perf in writing this code. I was using the
debugfs directly. I figured that any improvement I made there would also
improve perf as I tried to make sure the perf hooks into that code were
updated too.

My question is, did this patch set cause any of the perf problems or did
these problems always exist?

I'm just saying that perf is not the only user. And to deny improvements
in the code because one user does not currently work well with them is
just hindering progress.

There happens to be real users out in the world that are still using
ftrace. I see no reason to stop improving it because your goal is to
have everyone move to perf.

Thanks for letting me waste three days on developing this. I even posted
an RFC a while back, and no one complained then.

-- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-15 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-08  1:56 Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 01/14] tracing/filter: Have no filter return a match Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 02/14] tracing/filter: Move OR and AND logic out of fn() method Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 03/14] tracing/filter: Dynamically allocate preds Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 04/14] tracing/filter: Call synchronize_sched() just once for system filters Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 05/14] tracing/filter: Allocate the preds in an array Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 06/14] tracing/filter: Free pred array on disabling of filter Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 07/14] tracing/filter: Use a tree instead of stack for filter_match_preds() Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 08/14] tracing/filter: Optimize short ciruit check Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 09/14] tracing/filter: Check the created pred tree Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 10/14] tracing/filter: Optimize filter by folding the tree Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 11/14] tracing/filter: Move MAX_FILTER_PRED to local tracing directory Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 12/14] tracing/filter: Increase the max preds to 2^14 Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 13/14] tracing/filter: Swap entire filter of events Steven Rostedt
2011-02-08  1:56 ` [PATCH 14/14] tracing/filter: Remove synchronize_sched() from __alloc_preds() Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15  4:44 ` [PATCH 00/14] [GIT PULL][v2.6.39] tracing/filter: More robust filtering Ingo Molnar
2011-02-15 13:33   ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2011-02-15 16:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15 16:53       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-02-15 18:35         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-16 13:34           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-02-16 14:52             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-15 18:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-15 18:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-16  9:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-15 13:44   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo

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