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* Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
@ 2004-05-17 16:22 Martín Chikilian
  2004-05-17 16:35 ` Matt H.
  2004-05-17 19:41 ` Horst von Brand
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Martín Chikilian @ 2004-05-17 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel

This post is for everyone, and specially for Linus:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040514/234/71e7q.html
And the message disection:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040517002423242

Probably Linus already read this, but I'm very interested in knowing his 
opinion.
Regards,
Martin

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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-17 16:22 Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution Martín Chikilian
@ 2004-05-17 16:35 ` Matt H.
  2004-05-17 19:41 ` Horst von Brand
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Matt H. @ 2004-05-17 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Martín Chikilian; +Cc: linux-kernel

This is just FUD so the author can hopefully increase the sales on his book.

Matt H.


On Monday 17 May 2004 9:22 am, Martín Chikilian wrote:
> This post is for everyone, and specially for Linus:
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040514/234/71e7q.html
> And the message disection:
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040517002423242
>
> Probably Linus already read this, but I'm very interested in knowing his
> opinion.
> Regards,
> Martin
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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution 
  2004-05-17 16:22 Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution Martín Chikilian
  2004-05-17 16:35 ` Matt H.
@ 2004-05-17 19:41 ` Horst von Brand
  2004-05-18 12:24   ` Martín Chikilian
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Horst von Brand @ 2004-05-17 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Martín Chikilian; +Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List

Look at <http://www.groklaw.net>, there is a lot of discussion on this.

This in _not_ the place for such a discussion/post, BTW.
-- 
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Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria              +56 32 654239
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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-17 19:41 ` Horst von Brand
@ 2004-05-18 12:24   ` Martín Chikilian
  2004-05-18 12:46     ` Linux in the press Richard B. Johnson
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Martín Chikilian @ 2004-05-18 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Horst von Brand, linux-kernel

Horst von Brand wrote:

>Look at <http://www.groklaw.net>, there is a lot of discussion on this.
>
>This in _not_ the place for such a discussion/post, BTW.
>  
>
Its seems to be a good discussion topic for me.
I want to know how the Linux community reacts to this kind of marketing 
over the net and how can the subscribers be affected.
I really want to know Linus's opinion about this.
Cheers,
Martin

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* Re: Linux in the press.
  2004-05-18 12:24   ` Martín Chikilian
@ 2004-05-18 12:46     ` Richard B. Johnson
  2004-05-18 12:48     ` Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution Jan-Benedict Glaw
  2004-05-19 21:10     ` Rob Couto
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Richard B. Johnson @ 2004-05-18 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Martín Chikilian; +Cc: Horst von Brand, linux-kernel

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On Tue, 18 May 2004, [ISO-8859-1] Martín Chikilian wrote:

> Horst von Brand wrote:
>
> >Look at <http://www.groklaw.net>, there is a lot of discussion on this.
> >
> >This in _not_ the place for such a discussion/post, BTW.
> >
> >
> Its seems to be a good discussion topic for me.
> I want to know how the Linux community reacts to this kind of marketing
> over the net and how can the subscribers be affected.
> I really want to know Linus's opinion about this.
> Cheers,
> Martin

Once somebody does something well, many will take credit.
Should somebody fail, the fault remains alone.

Success has many parents. Failure is a bastard.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5557.45 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.



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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-18 12:24   ` Martín Chikilian
  2004-05-18 12:46     ` Linux in the press Richard B. Johnson
@ 2004-05-18 12:48     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
  2004-05-19 21:10     ` Rob Couto
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2004-05-18 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel

On Tue, 2004-05-18 09:24:01 -0300, Martín Chikilian <slack@efn.uncor.edu>
wrote in message <40AA0061.8090500@efn.uncor.edu>:
> Horst von Brand wrote:
> >Look at <http://www.groklaw.net>, there is a lot of discussion on this.
> >
> >This in _not_ the place for such a discussion/post, BTW.

> I want to know how the Linux community reacts to this kind of marketing 
> over the net and how can the subscribers be affected.

We are no sales person, so we don't react at all. If they want to sell
their products, let them do! If their customers decide they need
something different, they may want to have a look at Linux, the *BSDs
and all others...

MfG, JBG

-- 
   Jan-Benedict Glaw       jbglaw@lug-owl.de    . +49-172-7608481
   "Eine Freie Meinung in  einem Freien Kopf    | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg
    fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! |   im Irak!
   ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA));

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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-18 12:24   ` Martín Chikilian
  2004-05-18 12:46     ` Linux in the press Richard B. Johnson
  2004-05-18 12:48     ` Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution Jan-Benedict Glaw
@ 2004-05-19 21:10     ` Rob Couto
  2004-05-22  1:50       ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
  2004-05-22  9:22       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Rob Couto @ 2004-05-19 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Martín Chikilian; +Cc: linux-kernel

> Its seems to be a good discussion topic for me.
> I want to know how the Linux community reacts to this kind of marketing
> over the net and how can the subscribers be affected.
> I really want to know Linus's opinion about this.
> Cheers,
> Martin

more wetware cracking = more ignorant people being led around. someone should 
issue a press release about carefully prepared press releases that do 
something similar to stack smashing, but in brains.

i just wanna know, where are all the non-US companies that dislike linux? are 
they all here in america? would that be a surprise?

-- 
Rob Couto [rpc@cafe4111.org]
computer safety tip: use only a non-conducting, static-free hammer.
--

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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-19 21:10     ` Rob Couto
@ 2004-05-22  1:50       ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
  2004-05-22  9:22       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Marcos D. Marado Torres @ 2004-05-22  1:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rob Couto; +Cc: Martín Chikilian, linux-kernel

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On Wed, 19 May 2004, Rob Couto wrote:

> > Its seems to be a good discussion topic for me.
> > I want to know how the Linux community reacts to this kind of marketing
> > over the net and how can the subscribers be affected.
> > I really want to know Linus's opinion about this.
> > Cheers,
> > Martin
>
> more wetware cracking = more ignorant people being led around. someone should
> issue a press release about carefully prepared press releases that do
> something similar to stack smashing, but in brains.

Well...

After Linus saying that the real creators of Linux are "the Tooth Fairy and
Santa Claus" ( http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44851.htm ), Andy Tanenbaum
wrote Some Notes on the "Who wrote Linux" Kerfuffle
( http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/ ) and today made a follow-up
(http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/brown/followup/ ) telling what were the motivations
of Ken Brown, President of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution.

Interesting readings...

Anyway, I think this is kind of an off-topic theme for this Mailing List.

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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-19 21:10     ` Rob Couto
  2004-05-22  1:50       ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
@ 2004-05-22  9:22       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
  2004-05-22 14:41         ` venom
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Alfaro Solana @ 2004-05-22  9:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rpc; +Cc: Martín Chikilian, Kernel Mailinglist

On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 23:10, Rob Couto wrote:

> i just wanna know, where are all the non-US companies that dislike linux? are 
> they all here in america? would that be a surprise?

Who are those non-US companies that dislike Linux? I don't know of
any...


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* Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-22  9:22       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
@ 2004-05-22 14:41         ` venom
  2004-05-22 15:21           ` [IRONY] " Rob Couto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: venom @ 2004-05-22 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felipe Alfaro Solana; +Cc: rpc, Martín Chikilian, Kernel Mailinglist


non-US companies... US companies...
Is the country so relevant?
Simply there are a very few non US company that have reasons to
be against Linux. Most of them simply are non concerned by it, some of 
them are using it...

In US there are more company for whom Linux could be something to worry 
about... But is not something related to the country...

Luigi


On Sat, 22 May 2004, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 23:10, Rob Couto wrote:
>
>> i just wanna know, where are all the non-US companies that dislike linux? are
>> they all here in america? would that be a surprise?
>
> Who are those non-US companies that dislike Linux? I don't know of
> any...
>
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* [IRONY] Re: Linus is not the Linux father - Said MSFT Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
  2004-05-22 14:41         ` venom
@ 2004-05-22 15:21           ` Rob Couto
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Rob Couto @ 2004-05-22 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: venom; +Cc: linux-kernel

I sent a brief message immediately after that one, about this not being 
slashdot. That was the very instant those router troubles stopped my traffic 
to/from vger.kernel.org. Maybe it'll arrive here tomorrow.

I'll say I only mention it because it seems a bunch of (only?) US Co.'s have 
this big bad attitude toward your effort, and it just sort of upsets me. no 
biggie. and no more slashdot from me.

-- 
Rob Couto [rpc@cafe4111.org]
computer safety tip: use only a non-conducting, static-free hammer.
--

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