From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264134AbUESP1Q (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 11:27:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264191AbUESP1Q (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 11:27:16 -0400 Received: from hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.202.12]:1266 "HELO hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264134AbUESP1O (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2004 11:27:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:27:06 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Tim Bird Cc: Christoph Hellwig , linux kernel Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: CE Linux Forum - Specification V1.0 draft Message-ID: <20040519152706.GD22742@fs.tum.de> References: <40A90D00.7000005@am.sony.com> <20040517201910.A1932@infradead.org> <40A92D15.2060006@am.sony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40A92D15.2060006@am.sony.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 02:22:29PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: > Christoph Hellwig wrote: > >On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:05:36PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote: > > > >>I am writing to announce the availability of the first draft of > >>the CE Linux Forum's first specification. This specification > >>represents the efforts of six different technical working groups > >>over about the last 9 months. > > > > > >If you want my 2Cent: > > > > - stop these rather useless specifications and provide patchkits instead > > - try to actually submit the patches upstream to get a feeling which > > of your 'features' are compltely hopeless, which are okay and which > > can better be solved in different ways. > > I should point out that some of the features specified have already been > submitted as patchsets. Some were accepted and are in 2.6. Some were > rejected, and we are considering the feedback received... (But, we're > still hopeful that in the long run, we can make certain things > acceptable for inclusion in the mainline tree.) > > The submissions, so far, have come from member companies or individuals > rather than from the forum itself. A good example that this is true is section 7.9.2 of your "specification". It lists under "Work in Progress": Kernel SHALL be configuralble with compiler size options, such as -Os. Besides the text in the "Rationale" being obviously wrong, this is already implemented in kernel 2.6. But the people writing this "specification" didn't send a patch - the trivial patch was sent by someone who is in no way related to your "Forum". cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed