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From: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:31:10 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070205143110.fca62b57.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702051409110.8424@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, David Woodhouse wrote:
> >
> > Ten years ago, people used 'depends on' to fix the tools, so that then
> > you want to enable something like USB_STORAGE, it can automatically turn
> > SCSI on for you.
> >
> > Isn't that what you wanted?
>
> Try it. It's not what it does.
>
> If you have a
>
> depends on SCSI
>
> and you did not say you wanted SCSI, you'll never even *see* the question.
>
> It will *not* turn on SCSI automatically for you. Quite the reverse. It
> will not even show you the option.
>
> In contrast, it you do a
>
> select SCSI
>
> you'll see the question, and it will do exactly what you claim "depends
> on" does. Which yes, is what we want.
>
> So what's your problem? You argue as if you didn't understand the
> difference between "depends on" and "select".
I think the problem is "who is make *config" for?".
David wants it to be for developers (ISTM) and "select" is a
hassle for us.
Linus wants it to be for (unadvanced) users, but they tend to just
use distro kernels and distro configs, according to David, and I
agree with that.
So I think that make *config is more for developers and advanced
(not embedded) users.
> As an example of this, look at SATA. It does "select SCSI" if you select
> CONFIG_ATA, _exactly_ because it actually wants to turn on the SCSI layer
> *regardless* of what the user said. Because if the user said "n" to SCSI,
> the user simply didn't know that the SATA code uses the SCSI code.
>
> Which is an example of what I've been saying all along: "select" makes
> sense. USB_STORAGE should have done the same.
>
> Claiming that "select" is evil is just totally strange.
It's a real problem for developers who actually try to modify
configs.
---
~Randy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-05 22:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-04 19:10 Super Kernel Sunday! Linus Torvalds
2007-02-04 19:40 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-02-04 21:00 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-04 21:11 ` Kevin K
2007-02-04 19:56 ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-02-05 8:39 ` Jonathan Sambrook
2007-02-05 8:45 ` [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 13:06 ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-05 13:34 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-05 16:12 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:22 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:08 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 21:15 ` Ingo Oeser
2007-02-06 13:32 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-05 21:17 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:39 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:53 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:31 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2007-02-05 23:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 23:21 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 0:04 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 15:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:20 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 15:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:38 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:18 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:11 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:36 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:49 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:52 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-02-06 23:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:03 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-07 0:37 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 2:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 13:51 ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-06 6:09 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 16:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:41 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 0:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-06 13:52 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:16 ` Mark Lord
2007-02-08 8:18 ` David Lang
2007-02-08 9:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Alan
2007-02-05 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:50 ` Alan
2007-02-05 21:41 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 5:46 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 15:34 ` Paul Mundt
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-02-06 22:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:33 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:46 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:04 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:50 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 17:58 ` Super Kernel Sunday! Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-05 18:07 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-06 19:02 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-05 21:27 ` [2.6.20] Regression in dmfe driver Thomas Bächler
2007-02-06 9:38 ` Thierry Vignaud
2007-02-06 22:40 ` Thomas Bächler
2007-02-27 13:58 ` [PATA] Failed to set xfermode on LITE-ON LTR-48246S Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 4:10 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-05 10:38 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-06 9:23 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-09 12:50 ` Tejun Heo
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