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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:12:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070205161227.GB4563@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070205155627.GA8354@elte.hu>
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:56:27PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> btw., this whole select problem is not limited to Aunt Tillie: in a
> couple of cases in the past few months when i saw some weird code in a
> driver and tried to enable it i had to search around for many minutes
> and enable random options to figure out its config dependencies until i
> had the driver truly enabled. (if there's some easy solution to this
> then i'm all ears - but i exclude the easiest solution of adding me to
> the 'aunt' category ;-) I think that by blaming Aunt Tillie you might be
> missing the real problem.
Adding a 'select' statement might solve that particular problem:
"What config symbols do I need to turn on to enable FOO"
but it creates another problem which is at precisely the same level.
IOW:
"What config symbols do I need to turn off to disable FOO"
Both require the use of grep to solve it. Both are as bad as each
other. 'select' only moves the problem - it doesn't actually solve
anything.
The real problem is that "band-aiding" the problem is all too easy,
so we just bung a select in. We're actually storing up bigger problems
for the future, making the kernel configuration system more and more
complex, sometimes creating circular dependencies through select/depends,
basically turning it into something several orders of magnitude worse
than the original shell scripts.
The only real way I see the problem truely getting solved is if folk
start standing up against throwing "select" in so there's some
motivation to actually fix the underlying problem.
--
Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of:
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-02-05 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-02-04 19:10 Super Kernel Sunday! Linus Torvalds
2007-02-04 19:40 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2007-02-04 21:00 ` Gene Heskett
2007-02-04 21:11 ` Kevin K
2007-02-04 19:56 ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-02-05 8:39 ` Jonathan Sambrook
2007-02-05 8:45 ` [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 13:06 ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-05 13:34 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-05 16:12 ` Russell King [this message]
2007-02-05 16:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:22 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:08 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 21:15 ` Ingo Oeser
2007-02-06 13:32 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-05 21:17 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:39 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 21:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:53 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-05 23:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 23:21 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 0:04 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 15:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:20 ` Mark Rustad
2007-02-06 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 15:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:38 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:18 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:11 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 23:36 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-06 23:49 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 23:52 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-02-06 23:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:03 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 0:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-07 0:37 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-07 2:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07 13:51 ` Sunil Naidu
2007-02-06 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-06 6:09 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 16:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 16:41 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 18:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-06 0:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-06 13:52 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:16 ` Mark Lord
2007-02-08 8:18 ` David Lang
2007-02-08 9:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-02-06 15:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-05 22:21 ` Alan
2007-02-05 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:50 ` Alan
2007-02-05 21:41 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-06 5:46 ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-06 15:34 ` Paul Mundt
2007-02-06 22:39 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-02-06 22:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:33 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 16:46 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:04 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 16:50 ` Russell King
2007-02-05 16:52 ` David Woodhouse
2007-02-05 17:58 ` Super Kernel Sunday! Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-05 18:07 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-06 19:02 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-05 21:27 ` [2.6.20] Regression in dmfe driver Thomas Bächler
2007-02-06 9:38 ` Thierry Vignaud
2007-02-06 22:40 ` Thomas Bächler
2007-02-27 13:58 ` [PATA] Failed to set xfermode on LITE-ON LTR-48246S Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 4:10 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-05 10:38 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-05 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-06 9:23 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2007-03-09 12:50 ` Tejun Heo
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