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From: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Antonino Ingargiola <tritemio@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.22-rc1
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:28:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070514212807.246c0281@hyperion.delvare> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0705141139560.6739@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:43:45 -0700 (PDT), Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 14 May 2007, Jean Delvare wrote:
> > 
> > Sure, we don't allow that. Except for xfsprogs in 2.6.1, procps in
> > 2.6.4, oprofile in 2.6.13 and udev in 2.6.19, of course.
> 
> And we really complained about it! The oprofile thing should be fixed, 
> btw, and yeah,if udev breaks any more, I'll have to stop taking patches 
> from Greg. That thing has been a disaster, and everybody involved should 
> be ashamed and now hopefully *very* aware of the fact that we don't break 
> user-level interfaces.
> 
> (Right now, I suspect we may have a loop setup regression. Not sure)

While I'm all for keeping things relatively stable and not asking the
user to constantly upgrade user-space, I believe that we just can't
promise to never break user-level interfaces while keeping the
development pace we have right now. We can promise to grant people
significant delay before we drop compatibility options, but "forever"
doesn't scale.

If you really want to enforce the "never" rule, be prepared to either
see development slow down and finally come to a stop, or see the code
become unmaintainable and insecure and nobody is longer willing to work
on it.

> > We already have CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED for that.
> 
> ..and that should have been made more clear. I certainly didn't react to 
> it immediately.

You seem to assume that I remembered myself about this option when I
first replied. I wish it were true :(

-- 
Jean Delvare

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-14 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-13  3:20 Linus Torvalds
2007-05-13  9:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-17  6:55   ` Len Brown
2007-05-13  9:29 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1, 'nother randconfig Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-13  9:47 ` [PATCH] driver core: fix warning of temporarily unused multithreaded probing function (was: Re: Linux 2.6.22-rc1) Borislav Petkov
2007-05-14  8:06   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-05-13 12:44 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1 Alessandro Suardi
2007-05-13 12:44 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-05-13 17:10 ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-13 17:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-13 18:50     ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-14  6:10       ` Jean Delvare
2007-05-14  8:34         ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-14 12:14           ` Jean Delvare
2007-05-14 13:28             ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-14 15:21               ` Jean Delvare
2007-05-14 16:04                 ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-14 16:23                   ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-14 18:08                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-05-14 18:25                     ` Antonino Ingargiola
2007-05-14 16:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-14 18:24                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-05-14 18:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-14 19:28                       ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2007-05-14 19:53                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-14 20:18                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-14 20:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-14 20:15                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-15 20:31             ` CONFIG_BREAK_MY_MACHINE was " Pavel Machek
2007-05-16 18:11               ` CONFIG_BREAK_MY_MACHINE Jean Delvare
2007-05-17  8:32                 ` CONFIG_BREAK_MY_MACHINE Hans de Goede
2007-05-17  8:47                   ` CONFIG_BREAK_MY_MACHINE Pavel Machek
2007-05-13 18:19 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1 Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-13 23:20   ` David Miller
2007-05-13 23:32     ` Roland Dreier
2007-05-13 23:57     ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-14  4:37     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-05-14  4:53       ` David Miller
2007-05-14  6:21     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-14 17:21   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-14 17:32     ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-14 20:27       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-14 18:01     ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-14 20:33       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-14 21:40         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-14 22:09           ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-15  3:02             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-15  8:08               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-14 21:54         ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-15  2:34         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-15  2:42           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-15  6:05             ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-15  6:01           ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-15  8:16           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-16  1:52             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-16  6:29               ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-16  9:56                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-15 10:43           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-16  1:39             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-16  9:14               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-05-16  9:17                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-05-15  5:35         ` Michael Gerdau
2007-05-13 20:51 ` 2.6.22-rc1: loop.c Alexey Dobriyan
2007-05-14  3:52   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-13 22:53 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1 Jeff Chua
2007-05-14  1:08 ` andrew hendry
2007-05-14  7:49 ` V4L Regression (Was: Linux 2.6.22-rc1) Robert Fitzsimons
2007-05-14 11:44 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1, 'nother randconfig David Howells
2007-05-14 17:23   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-15  9:26   ` David Howells
2007-05-15  9:40     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-15  4:14 ` Linux 2.6.22-rc1 andrew hendry
2007-05-15  4:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-15  5:10     ` andrew hendry
2007-05-15 15:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-15 22:50         ` andrew hendry
2007-05-13  6:00 Jeff Chua
2007-05-13  6:13 ` Jeff Chua
2007-05-13  8:04 ` Jan Engelhardt

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