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* Suspend2 is getting a new name.
@ 2007-07-02  7:30 Nigel Cunningham
  2007-07-02  7:39 ` Jan Engelhardt
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From: Nigel Cunningham @ 2007-07-02  7:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: LKML

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Hi all.

Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".

This is for a couple of reasons:

In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is 
confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to 
ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.

The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0 
release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the name 
could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with people 
confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).

http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to 
http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are 
already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git 
trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.

Regards,

Nigel
-- 
See http://www.tuxonice.net for Howtos, FAQs, mailing
lists, wiki and bugzilla info.

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  7:30 Suspend2 is getting a new name Nigel Cunningham
@ 2007-07-02  7:39 ` Jan Engelhardt
  2007-07-02  8:10   ` Nigel Cunningham
  2007-07-02  8:23 ` Satyam Sharma
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Jan Engelhardt @ 2007-07-02  7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nigel; +Cc: LKML


On Jul 2 2007 17:30, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
>
>Hi all.
>
>Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>
>This is for a couple of reasons:
>
>In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is 
>confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to 
>ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.

Reminds me of... (scnr)
http://www.ixsoft.de/software/products/OFTUXICE.html
http://dicey.org/b/images/s20060418_0.jpg ( http://cc314.classicgaming.gamespy.com/encyclopedia/images/enemyk1-kfrozen.gif )
and things like
http://es.tldp.org/LinuxFocus/pub/mirror/LinuxFocus/common/images/coverJanuary2003.jpg



	Jan
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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  7:39 ` Jan Engelhardt
@ 2007-07-02  8:10   ` Nigel Cunningham
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Nigel Cunningham @ 2007-07-02  8:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Engelhardt; +Cc: nigel, LKML

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Hi.

On Monday 02 July 2007 17:39:34 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> 
> On Jul 2 2007 17:30, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> >
> >Hi all.
> >
> >Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
> >This is for a couple of reasons:
> >
> >In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" 
is 
> >confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to 
> >ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
> 
> Reminds me of... (scnr)
> http://www.ixsoft.de/software/products/OFTUXICE.html
> http://dicey.org/b/images/s20060418_0.jpg (

This one is our existing logo. I believe Bernard made it with Blender. Guess 
someone has appropriated it :\
 
http://cc314.classicgaming.gamespy.com/encyclopedia/images/enemyk1-kfrozen.gif ) 
> and things like
> 
http://es.tldp.org/LinuxFocus/pub/mirror/LinuxFocus/common/images/coverJanuary2003.jpg

Cute pictures.

Should I mention other people have seen allusions to drugs? :)

Nigel

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  7:30 Suspend2 is getting a new name Nigel Cunningham
  2007-07-02  7:39 ` Jan Engelhardt
@ 2007-07-02  8:23 ` Satyam Sharma
  2007-07-04 17:59   ` Pavel Machek
  2007-07-02  8:30 ` Fabio Comolli
  2007-07-02 19:18 ` Bill Davidsen
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Satyam Sharma @ 2007-07-02  8:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nigel; +Cc: LKML

[ Shamelessly off-topic, but SCNR myself ]

On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".

Hmm, FunkyMixedCase name ...

<tongue-firmly-in-cheek>
... hope this'll make it work on my laptop too :-)

[ Is there a prize for posting waaay off-topic messages? ]

BTW, TuxOnIce is a better choice for name than some variation of
"Hibernate", from a biological perspective too -- as everybody already
knows, penguins never quite hibernate, but spend the entire rough
Antarctic winter bunched up in a group on the surface (ice) itself ...

Satyam

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  7:30 Suspend2 is getting a new name Nigel Cunningham
  2007-07-02  7:39 ` Jan Engelhardt
  2007-07-02  8:23 ` Satyam Sharma
@ 2007-07-02  8:30 ` Fabio Comolli
  2007-07-02  8:35   ` Oliver Neukum
  2007-07-02 18:41   ` Alon Bar-Lev
  2007-07-02 19:18 ` Bill Davidsen
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Fabio Comolli @ 2007-07-02  8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nigel; +Cc: LKML

Hi.

On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>

Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
will be a much better choice?

> Regards,
>
> Nigel

Just my 2 (euro)cents.

Best regards,
Fabio

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  8:30 ` Fabio Comolli
@ 2007-07-02  8:35   ` Oliver Neukum
  2007-07-02 12:16     ` Renato S. Yamane
  2007-07-02 18:41   ` Alon Bar-Lev
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Neukum @ 2007-07-02  8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fabio Comolli; +Cc: nigel, LKML

Am Montag, 2. Juli 2007 schrieb Fabio Comolli:
> Hi.
> 
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
> 
> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> will be a much better choice?

Yes, you are the only person. "Hibernate" is the concept. The separate
implementations also need names.

	Regards
		Oliver


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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  8:35   ` Oliver Neukum
@ 2007-07-02 12:16     ` Renato S. Yamane
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Renato S. Yamane @ 2007-07-02 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Oliver Neukum; +Cc: Fabio Comolli, nigel, LKML

Oliver Neukum escreveu:
> Am Montag, 2. Juli 2007 schrieb Fabio Comolli:
>> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
>>> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
>>
>> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
>> will be a much better choice?
> 
> Yes, you are the only person. "Hibernate" is the concept. The separate
> implementations also need names.

TuxOnIce sounds like a "game" :-)
But I don't see any problem with this.

Regards,
Renato

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  8:30 ` Fabio Comolli
  2007-07-02  8:35   ` Oliver Neukum
@ 2007-07-02 18:41   ` Alon Bar-Lev
  2007-07-02 19:11     ` Fabio Comolli
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Alon Bar-Lev @ 2007-07-02 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Fabio Comolli; +Cc: nigel, LKML

On 7/2/07, Fabio Comolli <fabio.comolli@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> >
>
> Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> will be a much better choice?

No you are not the only one :)

Best Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02 18:41   ` Alon Bar-Lev
@ 2007-07-02 19:11     ` Fabio Comolli
  2007-07-03  0:47       ` Mail List
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Fabio Comolli @ 2007-07-02 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alon Bar-Lev; +Cc: nigel, LKML

Hi

On 7/2/07, Alon Bar-Lev <alon.barlev@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/07, Fabio Comolli <fabio.comolli@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> wrote:
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> > >
> >
> > Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> > will be a much better choice?
>
> No you are not the only one :)

Ah, OK. I was beginning to think that something (more than usual) was
wrong with me.  Maybe one day someone at alsa-project will decide that
my sound card driver's name will change from snd_intel8x0 to
"TheEmperorsCry" ;-)

>
> Best Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev.
>

Regards,
Fabio

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  7:30 Suspend2 is getting a new name Nigel Cunningham
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-07-02  8:30 ` Fabio Comolli
@ 2007-07-02 19:18 ` Bill Davidsen
  2007-07-02 22:08   ` Nigel Cunningham
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Bill Davidsen @ 2007-07-02 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nigel; +Cc: LKML

Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> 
> This is for a couple of reasons:
> 
> In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" is 
> confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending to 
> ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
> 
> The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0 
> release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the name 
> could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with people 
> confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
> 
> http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to 
> http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are 
> already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git 
> trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
> 
I guess this is "good news, bad news" time. The good news is that the 
"suspend with working resume" project is still active, the bad news is 
that making provisions for long term out of mainline operation sounds as 
if you have no hope of getting this code into the mainline kernel. :-(

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02 19:18 ` Bill Davidsen
@ 2007-07-02 22:08   ` Nigel Cunningham
  2007-07-03 13:34     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Nigel Cunningham @ 2007-07-02 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bill Davidsen; +Cc: nigel, LKML

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Hi.

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 05:18:39 Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > Hi all.
> > 
> > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> > 
> > This is for a couple of reasons:
> > 
> > In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" 
is 
> > confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending 
to 
> > ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
> > 
> > The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0 
> > release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the 
name 
> > could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with 
people 
> > confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
> > 
> > http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to 
> > http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are 
> > already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git 
> > trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
> > 
> I guess this is "good news, bad news" time. The good news is that the 
> "suspend with working resume" project is still active, the bad news is 
> that making provisions for long term out of mainline operation sounds as 
> if you have no hope of getting this code into the mainline kernel. :-(

Let's not turn this into a flamewar, please. This is just a name change, 
nothing more.

As far as I know, the desire on Rafael's part and mine is still to get at 
least some of the functionality merged. The only reason this isn't happening 
yet is that we're both busy with other aspects of the work. Rafael is 
focussing on infrastructure issues, I'm focussing on minimising the diff and 
finishing off cleaning up and adding comments to functions.

Regards,

Nigel

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02 19:11     ` Fabio Comolli
@ 2007-07-03  0:47       ` Mail List
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Mail List @ 2007-07-03  0:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: LKML




On Monday 02 July 2007 03:11:52 pm Fabio Comolli wrote:
> > > Am I the only person on this list thinking that a plain "hibernate"
> > > will be a much better choice?
> >
> > No you are not the only one :)

  I like the frozen name - but similar to you, if the name suspendX and 
hibernate are confusing in not distinguishing ram from disk perhaps one could 
do something obvious like:
     
        hibernate_2_ram
        hibernate_2_disk

 or something shorter ... perhaps involving Ice and twist ?? ;-)

gene/

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02 22:08   ` Nigel Cunningham
@ 2007-07-03 13:34     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Rafael J. Wysocki @ 2007-07-03 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nigel Cunningham; +Cc: Bill Davidsen, nigel, LKML

Hi,

On Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:08, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 05:18:39 Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > Hi all.
> > > 
> > > Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> > > 
> > > This is for a couple of reasons:
> > > 
> > > In recent discussions on LKML, the point was made that the word "Suspend" 
> is 
> > > confusing. It is used to refer to both suspending to disk and suspending 
> to 
> > > ram. Life will be simpler if we more clearly differentiate the two.
> > > 
> > > The name Suspend2 came about a couple of years ago when we made the 2.0 
> > > release and started self-hosting. If we ever get to a 3.0 release, the 
> name 
> > > could become even more confusing! (And there are already problems with 
> people 
> > > confusing the name with swsusp and talking about uswsusp as version 3!).
> > > 
> > > http://www.suspend2.net is still working at the moment, but we'll shift to 
> > > http://www.tuxonice.net over the next while. The wiki and bugzilla are 
> > > already done; email will remain on suspend2.net for a little while and git 
> > > trees will be renamed at the time of the next stable release.
> > > 
> > I guess this is "good news, bad news" time. The good news is that the 
> > "suspend with working resume" project is still active, the bad news is 
> > that making provisions for long term out of mainline operation sounds as 
> > if you have no hope of getting this code into the mainline kernel. :-(
> 
> Let's not turn this into a flamewar, please. This is just a name change, 
> nothing more.
> 
> As far as I know, the desire on Rafael's part and mine is still to get at 
> least some of the functionality merged. The only reason this isn't happening 
> yet is that we're both busy with other aspects of the work. Rafael is 
> focussing on infrastructure issues, I'm focussing on minimising the diff and 
> finishing off cleaning up and adding comments to functions.

That's correct, thanks for saying this!

My first target is to introduce a framework allowing drivers to have different
callbacks for hibernation and suspend.   Unfortunately, that turned out to
require quite a lot of work - and time - to do.

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth

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* Re: Suspend2 is getting a new name.
  2007-07-02  8:23 ` Satyam Sharma
@ 2007-07-04 17:59   ` Pavel Machek
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Pavel Machek @ 2007-07-04 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Satyam Sharma; +Cc: nigel, LKML

Hi!

> [ Shamelessly off-topic, but SCNR myself ]
> 
> On 7/2/07, Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net> 
> wrote:
> >Hi all.
> >
> >Suspend2's name is changing to "TuxOnIce".
> 
> Hmm, FunkyMixedCase name ...
> 
> <tongue-firmly-in-cheek>
> ... hope this'll make it work on my laptop too :-)
> 
> [ Is there a prize for posting waaay off-topic messages? 
> ]
> 
> BTW, TuxOnIce is a better choice for name than some 
> variation of
> "Hibernate", from a biological perspective too -- as 
> everybody already
> knows, penguins never quite hibernate, but spend the 
> entire rough
> Antarctic winter bunched up in a group on the surface 
> (ice) itself ...

Ugh, can I use it as an excuse for broken hibernation?

Linus is responsible when he used the penguin logo! Penguins just do
not hibernate! :-).

...OTOH penguins do sleep, so I guess I should be working hard on
fixing that :-).

							Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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