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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>,
	swhiteho@redhat.com, sfrench@samba.org, vandrove@vc.cvut.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:58:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801280358.14024.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1201475336.7346.37.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

On Monday 28 January 2008 00:08:56 Trond Myklebust wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 16:18 -0600, Steve French wrote:
> > If two seeks overlap, can't you end up with an f_pos value that is
> > different than what either thread seeked to? or if you have a seek and
> > a read overlap can't you end up with the read occurring in the midst
> > of an update of f_pos (which takes more than one instruction on
> > various architectures), e.g. reading an f_pos, which has only the
> > lower half of a 64 bit field updated?   I agree that you shouldn't
> > have seeks racing in parallel but I think it is preferable to get
> > either the updated f_pos or the earlier f_pos not something 1/2
> > updated.
> 
> Why? The threads are doing something inherently liable to corrupt data
> anyway. If they can race over the seek, why wouldn't they race over the
> read or write too?
> The race in lseek() should probably be the least of your worries in this
> case.

The problem is that it's not a race in who gets to do its thing first, but a 
parallel reader can actually see a corrupted value from the two independent 
words on 32bit (e.g. during a 4GB). And this could actually completely corrupt 
f_pos when it happens with two racing relative seeks or read/write()s

I would consider that a bug.

Fixes would be either to always take a spinlock to update this (nasty on 
platforms where spinlocks are expensive like P4) or define some architecture
specific way to read/write 64bit values consistently. In theory also some
lazy locking seqlock like mechanism could be used, but that had the disadvantage
of being theoretically starvable.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-28  2:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-27  2:17 [PATCH] [0/18] Implement some low hanging BKL removal fruit in fs/* Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [1/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext2 over to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [2/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect BKL comment in ext2 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [3/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext3 to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  5:33   ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-28  6:02     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [4/18] ext3: Remove incorrect BKL comment Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [5/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect comment refering to lock_kernel() from jbd/jbd2 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [6/18] BKL-removal: Convert ext4 to use unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [7/18] BKL-removal: Remove incorrect comments refering to BKL from ext4 Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 16:57   ` Steve French
2008-01-27 17:56     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-27 22:18       ` Steve French
2008-01-27 23:08         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-28  2:58           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-01-28  4:13             ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-28  4:38               ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  4:51                 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-01-28  5:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-28  8:17                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 18:33                     ` Steve French
2008-01-28 19:34                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-28 12:56                   ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 13:27                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 13:38                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 14:10                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28 14:50                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-28 15:13                           ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-28  2:44         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  2:43     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [9/18] BKL-removal: Use unlocked_ioctl for jfs Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 23:05   ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [10/18] BKL-removal: Implement a compat_ioctl handler for JFS Andi Kleen
2008-01-27 23:05   ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [11/18] BKL-removal: Convert ocfs2 over to unlocked_ioctl Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [12/18] BKL-removal: Convert CIFS " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [13/18] BKL-removal: Add compat_ioctl for cifs Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [14/18] BKL-removal: Add unlocked_fasync Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  7:05   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [15/18] BKL-removal: Convert pipe over to unlocked_fasync Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [16/18] BKL-removal: Convert socket fasync " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [17/18] BKL-removal: Convert fuse " Andi Kleen
2008-01-27  2:17 ` [PATCH] [18/18] BKL-removal: Convert bad_inode " Andi Kleen
2008-01-28  1:59 ` [PATCH] [0/18] Implement some low hanging BKL removal fruit in fs/* Nick Piggin
2008-01-28  3:15   ` Andi Kleen
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2008-01-28  9:44         ` [PATCH] [8/18] BKL-removal: Remove BKL from remote_llseek Bodo Eggert

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