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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
To: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	daniel.blueman@quadrics.com, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:38:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080130233803.GB7185@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080130222035.GX26420@sgi.com>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 04:20:35PM -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 11:19:28AM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Jack Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > > Moving to a different lock solves the problem.
> > 
> > Well it gets us back to the issue why we removed the lock. As Robin said 
> > before: If its global then we can have a huge number of tasks contending 
> > for the lock on startup of a process with a large number of ranks. The 
> > reason to go to mmap_sem was that it was placed in the mm_struct and so we 
> > would just have a couple of contentions per mm_struct.
> > 
> > I'll be looking for some other way to do this.
> 
> I think Andrea's original concept of the lock in the mmu_notifier_head
> structure was the best.  I agree with him that it should be a spinlock
> instead of the rw_lock.

BTW, I don't see the scalability concern with huge number of tasks:
the lock is still in the mm, down_write(mm->mmap_sem); oneinstruction;
up_write(mm->mmap_sem) is always going to scale worse than
spin_lock(mm->somethingelse); oneinstruction;
spin_unlock(mm->somethinglese).

Furthermore if we go this route and we don't relay on implicit
serialization of all the mmu notifier users against exit_mmap
(i.e. the mmu notifier user must agree to stop calling
mmu_notifier_register on a mm after the last mmput) the autodisarming
feature will likely have to be removed or it can't possibly be safe to
run mmu_notifier_unregister while mmu_notifier_release runs. With the
auto-disarming feature, there is no way to safely know if
mmu_notifier_unregister has to be called or not. I'm ok with removing
the auto-disarming feature and to have as self-contained-as-possible
locking. Then mmu_notifier_release can just become the
invalidate_all_after and invalidate_all, invalidate_all_before.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-30 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-30  2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 15:37   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 15:53     ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 16:38       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:19       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 22:20         ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 23:38           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2008-01-30 23:55             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31  0:12               ` [kvm-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31  1:27                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 17:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 19:28       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 18:02   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 19:08     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 18:03   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 4/6] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks for xip_filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_notifier: Add invalidate_all() Christoph Lameter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-15  6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  8:45     ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16  8:56       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 10:41     ` Brice Goglin
2008-02-16 10:58       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:31         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:21     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-17  3:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 12:24         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17  5:04     ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-18 22:33   ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29  0:05   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29  1:19     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 20:41       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07   ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05   ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-05 18:19     ` Christoph Lameter

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