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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
linux-mm@kvack.org,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com,
Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:34:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080131003434.GE7185@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301555550.1722@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 04:01:31PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> How we offload that? Before the scan of the rmaps we do not have the
> mmstruct. So we'd need another notifier_rmap_callback.
My assumption is that that "int lock" exists just because
unmap_mapping_range_vma exists. If I'm right then my suggestion was to
move the invalidate_range after dropping the i_mmap_lock and not to
invoke it inside zap_page_range.
> The obvious solution does not scale. You will have a callback for every
Scale is the wrong word. The PT lock will prevent any other cpu to
trash on the mmu_lock, so it's a fixed cost for each pte_clear with no
scalability risk, nor any complexity issue. Certainly we could average
certain fixed costs over more than one pte_clear to boost performance,
and that's good idea. Not really a short term concern, we need to swap
reliably first ;).
> page and there may be a million of those if you have a 4GB process.
That can be optimized adding a __ptep_clear_flush and an
invalidate_pages (let's call it pages to better show it's an
'clustered' version of invalidate_page, to avoid the confusion with
_range_before/after that does an entirely different thing). Also for
_range I tend to like before/after, as a means to say before the
pte_clear and after the pte_clear but any other meaning is ok with me.
We add invalidate_page and invalidate_pages
immediately. invalidate_pages may never be called initially by the
linux VM, we can start calling it later as we replace ptep_clear_flush
with __ptep_clear_flush (or local_ptep_clear_flush).
I don't see any problem with this approach and it looks quite clean to
me and it leaves you full room for experimenting in practice with
range_before/after while knowing those range_before/after won't
require many changes.
And for things like the age_page it will never happen that you could
call the respective ptep_clear_flush_young w/o mmu notifier age_page
after it, so you won't ever risk having to add an age_pages or a
__ptep_clear_flush_young.
> We need to have a coherent notifier solution that works for multiple
> scenarios. I think a working invalidate_range would also be required for
> KVM. KVM and GRUB are very similar so they should be able to use the same
> mechanisms and we need to properly document how that mechanism is safe.
> Either both take a page refcount or none.
There's no reason why KVM should take any risk of corrupting memory
due to a single missing mmu notifier, with not taking the
refcount. get_user_pages will take it for us, so we have to pay the
atomic-op anyway. It sure worth doing the atomic_dec inside the mmu
notifier, and not immediately like this:
get_user_pages(pages)
__free_page(pages[0])
The idea is that what works for GRU, works for KVM too. So we do a
single invalidate_page and clustered invalidate_pages, we add that,
and then we make sure all places are covered so GRU will not
kernel-crash, and KVM won't risk to run oom or to generate _userland_
corruption.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-31 0:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 0:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 1:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 20:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05 ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-05 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 18:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 20:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 22:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 23:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 0:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 19:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 21:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 21:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 22:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 0:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 0:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 0:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 0:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 8:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 0:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 0:28 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 0:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 13:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 14:43 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 19:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 20:29 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 20:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 16:11 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 17:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 17:30 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 18:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 22:18 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 23:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31 0:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 0:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2008-01-31 1:46 ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 2:34 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-31 2:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 2:56 ` [kvm-devel] mmu_notifier: invalidate_range_start with lock=1 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 10:52 ` [kvm-devel] [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31 2:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 2:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-31 2:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-31 13:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:28 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 4/6] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 14:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks for xip_filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_notifier: Add invalidate_all() Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 16:31 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 20:02 ` Christoph Lameter
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