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* [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
                   ` (7 more replies)
  0 siblings, 8 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

This is a patchset implementing MMU notifier callbacks based on Andrea's
earlier work. These are needed if Linux pages are referenced from something
else than tracked by the rmaps of the kernel (an external MMU). MMU
notifiers allow us to get rid of the page pinning for RDMA and various
other purposes. It gets rid of the broken use of mlock for page pinning.
(mlock really does *not* pin pages....)

More information on the rationale and the technical details can be found in
the first patch and the README provided by that patch in
Documentation/mmu_notifiers.

The known immediate users are

KVM
- Establishes a refcount to the page via get_user_pages().
- External references are called spte.
- Has page tables to track pages whose refcount was elevated but
  no reverse maps.

GRU
- Simple additional hardware TLB (possibly covering multiple instances of
  Linux)
- Needs TLB shootdown when the VM unmaps pages.
- Determines page address via follow_page (from interrupt context) but can
  fall back to get_user_pages().
- No page reference possible since no page status is kept..

XPmem
- Allows use of a processes memory by remote instances of Linux.
- Provides its own reverse mappings to track remote pte.
- Established refcounts on the exported pages.
- Must sleep in order to wait for remote acks of ptes that are being
  cleared.

Andrea's mmu_notifier #4 -> RFC V1

- Merge subsystem rmap based with Linux rmap based approach
- Move Linux rmap based notifiers out of macro
- Try to account for what locks are held while the notifiers are
  called.
- Develop a patch sequence that separates out the different types of
  hooks so that we can review their use.
- Avoid adding include to linux/mm_types.h
- Integrate RCU logic suggested by Peter.

V1->V2:
- Improve RCU support
- Use mmap_sem for mmu_notifier register / unregister
- Drop invalidate_page from COW, mm/fremap.c and mm/rmap.c since we
  already have invalidate_range() callbacks there.
- Clean compile for !MMU_NOTIFIER
- Isolate filemap_xip strangeness into its own diff
- Pass a the flag to invalidate_range to indicate if a spinlock
  is held.
- Add invalidate_all()

V2->V3:
- Further RCU fixes
- Fixes from Andrea to fixup aging and move invalidate_range() in do_wp_page
  and sys_remap_file_pages() after the pte clearing.

V3->V4:
- Drop locking and synchronize_rcu() on ->release since we know on release that
  we are the only executing thread. This is also true for invalidate_all() so
  we could drop off the mmu_notifier there early. Use hlist_del_init instead
  of hlist_del_rcu.
- Do the invalidation as begin/end pairs with the requirement that the driver
  holds off new references in between.
- Fixup filemap_xip.c
- Figure out a potential way in which XPmem can deal with locks that are held.
- Robin's patches to make the mmu_notifier logic manage the PageRmapExported bit.
- Strip cc list down a bit.
- Drop Peters new rcu list macro
- Add description to the core patch

V4->V5:
- Provide missing callouts for mremap.
- Provide missing callouts for copy_page_range.
- Reduce mm_struct space to zero if !MMU_NOTIFIER by #ifdeffing out
  structure contents.
- Get rid of the invalidate_all() callback by moving ->release in place
  of invalidate_all.
- Require holding mmap_sem on register/unregister instead of acquiring it
  ourselves. In some contexts where we want to register/unregister we are
  already holding mmap_sem.
- Split out the rmap support patch so that there is no need to apply
  all patches for KVM and GRU.

V5->V6:
- Provide missing range callouts for mprotect
- Fix do_wp_page control path sequencing
- Clarify locking conventions
- GRU and XPmem confirmed to work with this patchset.
- Provide skeleton code for GRU/KVM type callback and for XPmem type.
- Rework documentation and put it into Documentation/mmu_notifier.

-- 

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* [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
                   ` (6 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

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MMU notifiers are used for hardware and software that establishes
external references to pages managed by the Linux kernel. These are
page table entriews or tlb entries or something else that allows
hardware (such as DMA engines, scatter gather devices, networking,
sharing of address spaces across operating system boundaries) and
software (Virtualization solutions such as KVM, Xen etc) to
access memory managed by the Linux kernel.

The MMU notifier will notify the device driver that subscribes to such
a notifier that the VM is going to do something with the memory
mapped by that device. The device must then drop references for the
indicated memory area. The references may be reestablished later.

The notification scheme is much better than the current scheme of
avoiding the danger of the VM removing pages that are externally
mapped. We currently mlock pages used for RDMA, XPmem etc in memory.

Mlock causes problems with reclaim and may lead to OOM if too many
pages are pinned in memory. It is also incorrect in terms what the POSIX
specificies for what role mlock should play. Mlock does *not* pin pages in
memory. Mlock just means do not allow the page to be moved to swap.

Linux can move pages in memory (for example through the page migration
mechanism). These pages can be moved even if they are mlocked(!!!!).
The current approach of page pinning in use by RDMA etc is conceptually
broken but there are currently no other easy solutions.

The solution here allows us to finally fix this issue by requiring
such devices to subscribe to a notification chain that will allow
them to work without pinning.

This patch: Core portion

Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>

---
 Documentation/mmu_notifier/README |   99 +++++++++++++++++++++
 include/linux/mm_types.h          |    7 +
 include/linux/mmu_notifier.h      |  175 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 kernel/fork.c                     |    2 
 mm/Kconfig                        |    4 
 mm/Makefile                       |    1 
 mm/mmap.c                         |    2 
 mm/mmu_notifier.c                 |   76 ++++++++++++++++
 8 files changed, 366 insertions(+)

Index: linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/README
===================================================================
--- /dev/null	1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/README	2008-02-08 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -0,0 +1,99 @@
+Linux MMU Notifiers
+-------------------
+
+MMU notifiers are used for hardware and software that establishes
+external references to pages managed by the Linux kernel. These are
+page table entriews or tlb entries or something else that allows
+hardware (such as DMA engines, scatter gather devices, networking,
+sharing of address spaces across operating system boundaries) and
+software (Virtualization solutions such as KVM, Xen etc) to
+access memory managed by the Linux kernel.
+
+The MMU notifier will notify the device driver that subscribes to such
+a notifier that the VM is going to do something with the memory
+mapped by that device. The device must then drop references for the
+indicated memory area. The references may be reestablished later.
+
+The notification scheme is much better than the current scheme of
+dealing with the danger of the VM removing pages.
+We currently mlock pages used for RDMA, XPmem etc in memory.
+
+Mlock causes problems with reclaim and may lead to OOM if too many
+pages are pinned in memory. It is also incorrect in terms of the POSIX
+specification of the role of mlock. Mlock does *not* pin pages in
+memory. It just does not allow the page to be moved to swap.
+
+Linux can move pages in memory (for example through the page migration
+mechanism). These pages can be moved even if they are mlocked(!!!!).
+So the current approach in use by RDMA etc etc is conceptually broken
+but there are currently no other easy solutions.
+
+The solution here allows us to finally fix this issue by requiring
+such devices to subscribe to a notification chain that will allow
+them to work without pinning.
+
+The notifier chains provide two callback mechanisms. The
+first one is required for any device that establishes external mappings.
+The second (rmap) mechanism is required if a device needs to be
+able to sleep when invalidating references. Sleeping may be necessary
+if we are mapping across a network or to different Linux instances
+in the same address space.
+
+mmu_notifier mechanism (for KVM/GRU etc)
+----------------------------------------
+Callbacks are registered with an mm_struct from a device driver using
+mmu_notifier_register(). When the VM removes pages (or changes
+permissions on pages etc) then callbacks are triggered.
+
+The invalidation function for a single page (*invalidate_page)
+is called with spinlocks (in particular the pte lock) held. This allow
+for an easy implementation of external ptes that are on the local system.
+
+The invalidation mechanism for a range (*invalidate_range_begin/end*) is
+called most of the time without any locks held. It is only called with
+locks held for file backed mappings that are truncated. A flag indicates
+in which mode we are. A driver can use that mechanism to f.e.
+delay the freeing of the pages during truncate until no locks are held.
+
+Pages must be marked dirty if dirty bits are found to be set in
+the external ptes during unmap.
+
+The *release* method is called when a Linux process exits. It is run before
+the pages and mappings of a process are torn down and gives the device driver
+a chance to zap all the external mappings in one go.
+
+An example for a code that can be used to build a notifier mechanism into
+a device driver can be found in the file
+Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton.c
+
+mmu_rmap_notifier mechanism (XPMEM etc)
+---------------------------------------
+The mmu_rmap_notifier allows the device driver to implement their own rmap
+and allows the device driver to sleep during page eviction. This is necessary
+for complex drivers that f.e. allow the sharing of memory between processes
+running on different Linux instances (typically over a network or in a
+partitioned NUMA system).
+
+The mmu_rmap_notifier adds another invalidate_page() callout that is called
+*before* the Linux rmaps are walked. At that point only the page lock is
+held. The invalidate_page() function must walk the driver rmaps and evict
+all the references to the page.
+
+There is no process information available before the rmaps are consulted.
+The notifier mechanism can therefore not be attached to an mm_struct. Instead
+it is a global callback list. Having to perform a callback for each and every
+page that is reclaimed would be inefficient. Therefore we add an additional
+page flag: PageRmapExternal(). Only pages that are marked with this bit can
+be exported and the rmap callbacks will only be performed for pages marked
+that way.
+
+The required additional Page flag is only availabe in 64 bit mode and
+therefore the mmu_rmap_notifier portion is not available on 32 bit platforms.
+
+An example of code to build a mmu_notifier mechanism with rmap capabilty
+can be found in Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton_rmap.c
+
+February 9, 2008,
+	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com
+
+Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mm_types.h
Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mm_types.h
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/include/linux/mm_types.h	2008-02-08 12:28:06.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/include/linux/mm_types.h	2008-02-08 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -159,6 +159,12 @@ struct vm_area_struct {
 #endif
 };
 
+struct mmu_notifier_head {
+#ifdef CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER
+	struct hlist_head head;
+#endif
+};
+
 struct mm_struct {
 	struct vm_area_struct * mmap;		/* list of VMAs */
 	struct rb_root mm_rb;
@@ -228,6 +234,7 @@ struct mm_struct {
 #ifdef CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_CONT
 	struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup;
 #endif
+	struct mmu_notifier_head mmu_notifier; /* MMU notifier list */
 };
 
 #endif /* _LINUX_MM_TYPES_H */
Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h
===================================================================
--- /dev/null	1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ linux-2.6/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h	2008-02-08 12:35:14.000000000 -0800
@@ -0,0 +1,175 @@
+#ifndef _LINUX_MMU_NOTIFIER_H
+#define _LINUX_MMU_NOTIFIER_H
+
+/*
+ * MMU motifier
+ *
+ * Notifier functions for hardware and software that establishes external
+ * references to pages of a Linux system. The notifier calls ensure that
+ * external mappings are removed when the Linux VM removes memory ranges
+ * or individual pages from a process.
+ *
+ * These fall into two classes:
+ *
+ * 1. mmu_notifier
+ *
+ * 	These are callbacks registered with an mm_struct. If pages are
+ * 	removed from an address space then callbacks are performed.
+ *
+ * 	Spinlocks must be held in order to walk reverse maps. The
+ * 	invalidate_page() callbacks are performed with spinlocks held.
+ *
+ * 	The invalidate_range_start/end callbacks can be performed in contexts
+ * 	where sleeping is allowed or in atomic contexts. A flag is passed
+ * 	to indicate an atomic context.
+ *
+ *	Pages must be marked dirty if dirty bits are found to be set in
+ *	the external ptes.
+ */
+
+#include <linux/list.h>
+#include <linux/spinlock.h>
+#include <linux/rcupdate.h>
+#include <linux/mm_types.h>
+
+struct mmu_notifier_ops;
+
+struct mmu_notifier {
+	struct hlist_node hlist;
+	const struct mmu_notifier_ops *ops;
+};
+
+struct mmu_notifier_ops {
+	/*
+	 * The release notifier is called when no other execution threads
+	 * are left. Synchronization is not necessary.
+	 */
+	void (*release)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+			struct mm_struct *mm);
+
+	/*
+	 * age_page is called from contexts where the pte_lock is held
+	 */
+	int (*age_page)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+			struct mm_struct *mm,
+			unsigned long address);
+
+	/* invalidate_page is called from contexts where the pte_lock is held */
+	void (*invalidate_page)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+				struct mm_struct *mm,
+				unsigned long address);
+
+	/*
+	 * invalidate_range_begin() and invalidate_range_end() must paired.
+	 *
+	 * Multiple invalidate_range_begin/ends may be nested or called
+	 * concurrently. That is legit. However, no new external references
+	 * may be established as long as any invalidate_xxx is running or
+	 * any invalidate_range_begin() and has not been completed through a
+	 * corresponding call to invalidate_range_end().
+	 *
+	 * Locking within the notifier needs to serialize events correspondingly.
+	 *
+	 * invalidate_range_begin() must clear all references in the range
+	 * and stop the establishment of new references.
+	 *
+	 * invalidate_range_end() reenables the establishment of references.
+	 *
+	 * atomic indicates that the function is called in an atomic context.
+	 * We can sleep if atomic == 0.
+	 */
+	void (*invalidate_range_begin)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+				 struct mm_struct *mm,
+				 unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+				 int atomic);
+
+	void (*invalidate_range_end)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+				 struct mm_struct *mm,
+				 unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+				 int atomic);
+};
+
+#ifdef CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER
+
+/*
+ * Must hold the mmap_sem for write.
+ *
+ * RCU is used to traverse the list. A quiescent period needs to pass
+ * before the notifier is guaranteed to be visible to all threads
+ */
+extern void mmu_notifier_register(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+				  struct mm_struct *mm);
+
+/*
+ * Must hold mmap_sem for write.
+ *
+ * A quiescent period needs to pass before the mmu_notifier structure
+ * can be released. mmu_notifier_release() will wait for a quiescent period
+ * after calling the ->release callback. So it is safe to call
+ * mmu_notifier_unregister from the ->release function.
+ */
+extern void mmu_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+				    struct mm_struct *mm);
+
+
+extern void mmu_notifier_release(struct mm_struct *mm);
+extern int mmu_notifier_age_page(struct mm_struct *mm,
+				 unsigned long address);
+
+static inline void mmu_notifier_head_init(struct mmu_notifier_head *mnh)
+{
+	INIT_HLIST_HEAD(&mnh->head);
+}
+
+#define mmu_notifier(function, mm, args...)				\
+	do {								\
+		struct mmu_notifier *__mn;				\
+		struct hlist_node *__n;					\
+									\
+		if (unlikely(!hlist_empty(&(mm)->mmu_notifier.head))) { \
+			rcu_read_lock();				\
+			hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(__mn, __n,		\
+					     &(mm)->mmu_notifier.head,	\
+					     hlist)			\
+				if (__mn->ops->function)		\
+					__mn->ops->function(__mn,	\
+							    mm,		\
+							    args);	\
+			rcu_read_unlock();				\
+		}							\
+	} while (0)
+
+#else /* CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER */
+
+/*
+ * Notifiers that use the parameters that they were passed so that the
+ * compiler does not complain about unused variables but does proper
+ * parameter checks even if !CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER.
+ * Macros generate no code.
+ */
+#define mmu_notifier(function, mm, args...)				\
+	do {								\
+		if (0) {						\
+			struct mmu_notifier *__mn;			\
+									\
+			__mn = (struct mmu_notifier *)(0x00ff);		\
+			__mn->ops->function(__mn, mm, args);		\
+		};							\
+	} while (0)
+
+static inline void mmu_notifier_register(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+						struct mm_struct *mm) {}
+static inline void mmu_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+						struct mm_struct *mm) {}
+static inline void mmu_notifier_release(struct mm_struct *mm) {}
+static inline int mmu_notifier_age_page(struct mm_struct *mm,
+				unsigned long address)
+{
+	return 0;
+}
+
+static inline void mmu_notifier_head_init(struct mmu_notifier_head *mmh) {}
+
+#endif /* CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER */
+
+#endif /* _LINUX_MMU_NOTIFIER_H */
Index: linux-2.6/mm/Kconfig
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/Kconfig	2008-02-08 12:28:06.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/Kconfig	2008-02-08 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -193,3 +193,7 @@ config NR_QUICK
 config VIRT_TO_BUS
 	def_bool y
 	depends on !ARCH_NO_VIRT_TO_BUS
+
+config MMU_NOTIFIER
+	def_bool y
+	bool "MMU notifier, for paging KVM/RDMA"
Index: linux-2.6/mm/Makefile
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/Makefile	2008-02-08 12:28:06.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/Makefile	2008-02-08 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -33,4 +33,5 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_MIGRATION) += migrate.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_SMP) += allocpercpu.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_QUICKLIST) += quicklist.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_CONT) += memcontrol.o
+obj-$(CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER) += mmu_notifier.o
 
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mmu_notifier.c
===================================================================
--- /dev/null	1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mmu_notifier.c	2008-02-08 12:44:24.000000000 -0800
@@ -0,0 +1,76 @@
+/*
+ *  linux/mm/mmu_notifier.c
+ *
+ *  Copyright (C) 2008  Qumranet, Inc.
+ *  Copyright (C) 2008  SGI
+ *  		Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
+ *
+ *  This work is licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL, version 2. See
+ *  the COPYING file in the top-level directory.
+ */
+
+#include <linux/module.h>
+#include <linux/mm.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
+
+/*
+ * No synchronization. This function can only be called when only a single
+ * process remains that performs teardown.
+ */
+void mmu_notifier_release(struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	struct mmu_notifier *mn;
+	struct hlist_node *n, *t;
+
+	if (unlikely(!hlist_empty(&mm->mmu_notifier.head))) {
+		hlist_for_each_entry_safe(mn, n, t,
+					  &mm->mmu_notifier.head, hlist) {
+			hlist_del_init(&mn->hlist);
+			if (mn->ops->release)
+				mn->ops->release(mn, mm);
+		}
+	}
+}
+
+/*
+ * If no young bitflag is supported by the hardware, ->age_page can
+ * unmap the address and return 1 or 0 depending if the mapping previously
+ * existed or not.
+ */
+int mmu_notifier_age_page(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long address)
+{
+	struct mmu_notifier *mn;
+	struct hlist_node *n;
+	int young = 0;
+
+	if (unlikely(!hlist_empty(&mm->mmu_notifier.head))) {
+		rcu_read_lock();
+		hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(mn, n,
+					  &mm->mmu_notifier.head, hlist) {
+			if (mn->ops->age_page)
+				young |= mn->ops->age_page(mn, mm, address);
+		}
+		rcu_read_unlock();
+	}
+
+	return young;
+}
+
+/*
+ * Note that all notifiers use RCU. The updates are only guaranteed to be
+ * visible to other processes after a RCU quiescent period!
+ *
+ * Must hold mmap_sem writably when calling registration functions.
+ */
+void mmu_notifier_register(struct mmu_notifier *mn, struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	hlist_add_head_rcu(&mn->hlist, &mm->mmu_notifier.head);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(mmu_notifier_register);
+
+void mmu_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_notifier *mn, struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	hlist_del_rcu(&mn->hlist);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(mmu_notifier_unregister);
+
Index: linux-2.6/kernel/fork.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/kernel/fork.c	2008-02-08 12:28:06.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/kernel/fork.c	2008-02-08 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -53,6 +53,7 @@
 #include <linux/tty.h>
 #include <linux/proc_fs.h>
 #include <linux/blkdev.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/pgtable.h>
 #include <asm/pgalloc.h>
@@ -362,6 +363,7 @@ static struct mm_struct * mm_init(struct
 
 	if (likely(!mm_alloc_pgd(mm))) {
 		mm->def_flags = 0;
+		mmu_notifier_head_init(&mm->mmu_notifier);
 		return mm;
 	}
 
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mmap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/mmap.c	2008-02-08 12:28:06.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mmap.c	2008-02-08 12:43:59.000000000 -0800
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
 #include <linux/mount.h>
 #include <linux/mempolicy.h>
 #include <linux/rmap.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/uaccess.h>
 #include <asm/cacheflush.h>
@@ -2037,6 +2038,7 @@ void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
 	unsigned long end;
 
 	/* mm's last user has gone, and its about to be pulled down */
+	mmu_notifier_release(mm);
 	arch_exit_mmap(mm);
 
 	lru_add_drain();`

-- 

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* [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks Christoph Lameter
                   ` (5 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

[-- Attachment #1: mmu_invalidate_range_callbacks --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 11235 bytes --]

The invalidation of address ranges in a mm_struct needs to be
performed when pages are removed or permissions etc change.

If invalidate_range_begin() is called with locks held then we
pass a flag into invalidate_range() to indicate that no sleeping is
possible. Locks are only held for truncate and huge pages.

In two cases we use invalidate_range_begin/end to invalidate
single pages because the pair allows holding off new references
(idea by Robin Holt).

do_wp_page(): We hold off new references while we update the pte.

xip_unmap: We are not taking the PageLock so we cannot
use the invalidate_page mmu_rmap_notifier. invalidate_range_begin/end
stands in.

Signed-off-by: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Signed-off-by: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 mm/filemap_xip.c |    5 +++++
 mm/fremap.c      |    3 +++
 mm/hugetlb.c     |    3 +++
 mm/memory.c      |   35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------
 mm/mmap.c        |    2 ++
 mm/mprotect.c    |    3 +++
 mm/mremap.c      |    7 ++++++-
 7 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)

Index: linux-2.6/mm/fremap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/fremap.c	2008-02-08 13:18:58.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/fremap.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -15,6 +15,7 @@
 #include <linux/rmap.h>
 #include <linux/module.h>
 #include <linux/syscalls.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/mmu_context.h>
 #include <asm/cacheflush.h>
@@ -214,7 +215,9 @@ asmlinkage long sys_remap_file_pages(uns
 		spin_unlock(&mapping->i_mmap_lock);
 	}
 
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, start + size, 0);
 	err = populate_range(mm, vma, start, size, pgoff);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, start + size, 0);
 	if (!err && !(flags & MAP_NONBLOCK)) {
 		if (unlikely(has_write_lock)) {
 			downgrade_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
Index: linux-2.6/mm/memory.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/memory.c	2008-02-08 13:22:14.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/memory.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -51,6 +51,7 @@
 #include <linux/init.h>
 #include <linux/writeback.h>
 #include <linux/memcontrol.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/pgalloc.h>
 #include <asm/uaccess.h>
@@ -611,6 +612,9 @@ int copy_page_range(struct mm_struct *ds
 	if (is_vm_hugetlb_page(vma))
 		return copy_hugetlb_page_range(dst_mm, src_mm, vma);
 
+	if (is_cow_mapping(vma->vm_flags))
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, src_mm, addr, end, 0);
+
 	dst_pgd = pgd_offset(dst_mm, addr);
 	src_pgd = pgd_offset(src_mm, addr);
 	do {
@@ -621,6 +625,11 @@ int copy_page_range(struct mm_struct *ds
 						vma, addr, next))
 			return -ENOMEM;
 	} while (dst_pgd++, src_pgd++, addr = next, addr != end);
+
+	if (is_cow_mapping(vma->vm_flags))
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, src_mm,
+						vma->vm_start, end, 0);
+
 	return 0;
 }
 
@@ -893,13 +902,16 @@ unsigned long zap_page_range(struct vm_a
 	struct mmu_gather *tlb;
 	unsigned long end = address + size;
 	unsigned long nr_accounted = 0;
+	int atomic = details ? (details->i_mmap_lock != 0) : 0;
 
 	lru_add_drain();
 	tlb = tlb_gather_mmu(mm, 0);
 	update_hiwater_rss(mm);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, address, end, atomic);
 	end = unmap_vmas(&tlb, vma, address, end, &nr_accounted, details);
 	if (tlb)
 		tlb_finish_mmu(tlb, address, end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, address, end, atomic);
 	return end;
 }
 
@@ -1337,7 +1349,7 @@ int remap_pfn_range(struct vm_area_struc
 {
 	pgd_t *pgd;
 	unsigned long next;
-	unsigned long end = addr + PAGE_ALIGN(size);
+	unsigned long start = addr, end = addr + PAGE_ALIGN(size);
 	struct mm_struct *mm = vma->vm_mm;
 	int err;
 
@@ -1371,6 +1383,7 @@ int remap_pfn_range(struct vm_area_struc
 	pfn -= addr >> PAGE_SHIFT;
 	pgd = pgd_offset(mm, addr);
 	flush_cache_range(vma, addr, end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, end, 0);
 	do {
 		next = pgd_addr_end(addr, end);
 		err = remap_pud_range(mm, pgd, addr, next,
@@ -1378,6 +1391,7 @@ int remap_pfn_range(struct vm_area_struc
 		if (err)
 			break;
 	} while (pgd++, addr = next, addr != end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, end, 0);
 	return err;
 }
 EXPORT_SYMBOL(remap_pfn_range);
@@ -1461,10 +1475,11 @@ int apply_to_page_range(struct mm_struct
 {
 	pgd_t *pgd;
 	unsigned long next;
-	unsigned long end = addr + size;
+	unsigned long start = addr, end = addr + size;
 	int err;
 
 	BUG_ON(addr >= end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, end, 0);
 	pgd = pgd_offset(mm, addr);
 	do {
 		next = pgd_addr_end(addr, end);
@@ -1472,6 +1487,7 @@ int apply_to_page_range(struct mm_struct
 		if (err)
 			break;
 	} while (pgd++, addr = next, addr != end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, end, 0);
 	return err;
 }
 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(apply_to_page_range);
@@ -1612,8 +1628,10 @@ static int do_wp_page(struct mm_struct *
 			page_table = pte_offset_map_lock(mm, pmd, address,
 							 &ptl);
 			page_cache_release(old_page);
-			if (!pte_same(*page_table, orig_pte))
-				goto unlock;
+			if (!pte_same(*page_table, orig_pte)) {
+				pte_unmap_unlock(page_table, ptl);
+				goto check_dirty;
+			}
 
 			page_mkwrite = 1;
 		}
@@ -1629,7 +1647,8 @@ static int do_wp_page(struct mm_struct *
 		if (ptep_set_access_flags(vma, address, page_table, entry,1))
 			update_mmu_cache(vma, address, entry);
 		ret |= VM_FAULT_WRITE;
-		goto unlock;
+		pte_unmap_unlock(page_table, ptl);
+		goto check_dirty;
 	}
 
 	/*
@@ -1651,6 +1670,8 @@ gotten:
 	if (mem_cgroup_charge(new_page, mm, GFP_KERNEL))
 		goto oom_free_new;
 
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, address,
+				address + PAGE_SIZE, 0);
 	/*
 	 * Re-check the pte - we dropped the lock
 	 */
@@ -1689,8 +1710,10 @@ gotten:
 		page_cache_release(new_page);
 	if (old_page)
 		page_cache_release(old_page);
-unlock:
 	pte_unmap_unlock(page_table, ptl);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm,
+				address, address + PAGE_SIZE, 0);
+check_dirty:
 	if (dirty_page) {
 		if (vma->vm_file)
 			file_update_time(vma->vm_file);
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mmap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/mmap.c	2008-02-08 13:25:21.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mmap.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -1748,11 +1748,13 @@ static void unmap_region(struct mm_struc
 	lru_add_drain();
 	tlb = tlb_gather_mmu(mm, 0);
 	update_hiwater_rss(mm);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, end, 0);
 	unmap_vmas(&tlb, vma, start, end, &nr_accounted, NULL);
 	vm_unacct_memory(nr_accounted);
 	free_pgtables(&tlb, vma, prev? prev->vm_end: FIRST_USER_ADDRESS,
 				 next? next->vm_start: 0);
 	tlb_finish_mmu(tlb, start, end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, end, 0);
 }
 
 /*
Index: linux-2.6/mm/hugetlb.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/hugetlb.c	2008-02-08 13:22:14.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/hugetlb.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -14,6 +14,7 @@
 #include <linux/mempolicy.h>
 #include <linux/cpuset.h>
 #include <linux/mutex.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/page.h>
 #include <asm/pgtable.h>
@@ -753,6 +754,7 @@ void __unmap_hugepage_range(struct vm_ar
 	BUG_ON(start & ~HPAGE_MASK);
 	BUG_ON(end & ~HPAGE_MASK);
 
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, end, 1);
 	spin_lock(&mm->page_table_lock);
 	for (address = start; address < end; address += HPAGE_SIZE) {
 		ptep = huge_pte_offset(mm, address);
@@ -773,6 +775,7 @@ void __unmap_hugepage_range(struct vm_ar
 	}
 	spin_unlock(&mm->page_table_lock);
 	flush_tlb_range(vma, start, end);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, end, 1);
 	list_for_each_entry_safe(page, tmp, &page_list, lru) {
 		list_del(&page->lru);
 		put_page(page);
Index: linux-2.6/mm/filemap_xip.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/filemap_xip.c	2008-02-08 13:22:14.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/filemap_xip.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -13,6 +13,7 @@
 #include <linux/module.h>
 #include <linux/uio.h>
 #include <linux/rmap.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 #include <linux/sched.h>
 #include <asm/tlbflush.h>
 
@@ -190,6 +191,8 @@ __xip_unmap (struct address_space * mapp
 		address = vma->vm_start +
 			((pgoff - vma->vm_pgoff) << PAGE_SHIFT);
 		BUG_ON(address < vma->vm_start || address >= vma->vm_end);
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, address,
+					address + PAGE_SIZE, 1);
 		pte = page_check_address(page, mm, address, &ptl);
 		if (pte) {
 			/* Nuke the page table entry. */
@@ -201,6 +204,8 @@ __xip_unmap (struct address_space * mapp
 			pte_unmap_unlock(pte, ptl);
 			page_cache_release(page);
 		}
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm,
+				address, address + PAGE_SIZE, 1);
 	}
 	spin_unlock(&mapping->i_mmap_lock);
 }
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mremap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/mremap.c	2008-02-08 13:18:58.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mremap.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
 #include <linux/highmem.h>
 #include <linux/security.h>
 #include <linux/syscalls.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/uaccess.h>
 #include <asm/cacheflush.h>
@@ -124,12 +125,15 @@ unsigned long move_page_tables(struct vm
 		unsigned long old_addr, struct vm_area_struct *new_vma,
 		unsigned long new_addr, unsigned long len)
 {
-	unsigned long extent, next, old_end;
+	unsigned long extent, next, old_start, old_end;
 	pmd_t *old_pmd, *new_pmd;
 
+	old_start = old_addr;
 	old_end = old_addr + len;
 	flush_cache_range(vma, old_addr, old_end);
 
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, vma->vm_mm,
+					old_addr, old_end, 0);
 	for (; old_addr < old_end; old_addr += extent, new_addr += extent) {
 		cond_resched();
 		next = (old_addr + PMD_SIZE) & PMD_MASK;
@@ -150,6 +154,7 @@ unsigned long move_page_tables(struct vm
 		move_ptes(vma, old_pmd, old_addr, old_addr + extent,
 				new_vma, new_pmd, new_addr);
 	}
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, vma->vm_mm, old_start, old_end, 0);
 
 	return len + old_addr - old_end;	/* how much done */
 }
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mprotect.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/mprotect.c	2008-02-08 13:18:58.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mprotect.c	2008-02-08 13:25:22.000000000 -0800
@@ -21,6 +21,7 @@
 #include <linux/syscalls.h>
 #include <linux/swap.h>
 #include <linux/swapops.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 #include <asm/uaccess.h>
 #include <asm/pgtable.h>
 #include <asm/cacheflush.h>
@@ -198,10 +199,12 @@ success:
 		dirty_accountable = 1;
 	}
 
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_begin, mm, start, end, 0);
 	if (is_vm_hugetlb_page(vma))
 		hugetlb_change_protection(vma, start, end, vma->vm_page_prot);
 	else
 		change_protection(vma, start, end, vma->vm_page_prot, dirty_accountable);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_range_end, mm, start, end, 0);
 	vm_stat_account(mm, oldflags, vma->vm_file, -nrpages);
 	vm_stat_account(mm, newflags, vma->vm_file, nrpages);
 	return 0;

-- 

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* [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 4/6] mmu_notifier: Skeleton driver for a simple mmu_notifier Christoph Lameter
                   ` (4 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

[-- Attachment #1: mmu_invalidate_page --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 3026 bytes --]

Two callbacks to remove individual pages as done in rmap code

	invalidate_page()

Called from the inner loop of rmap walks to invalidate pages.

	age_page()

Called for the determination of the page referenced status.

If we do not care about page referenced status then an age_page callback
may be be omitted. PageLock and pte lock are held when either of the
functions is called.

Signed-off-by: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Signed-off-by: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 mm/rmap.c |   13 ++++++++++---
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

Index: linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-07 16:49:32.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-07 17:25:25.000000000 -0800
@@ -49,6 +49,7 @@
 #include <linux/module.h>
 #include <linux/kallsyms.h>
 #include <linux/memcontrol.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/tlbflush.h>
 
@@ -287,7 +288,8 @@ static int page_referenced_one(struct pa
 	if (vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) {
 		referenced++;
 		*mapcount = 1;	/* break early from loop */
-	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
+	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+		   mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
 		referenced++;
 
 	/* Pretend the page is referenced if the task has the
@@ -455,6 +457,7 @@ static int page_mkclean_one(struct page 
 
 		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
 		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 		entry = pte_wrprotect(entry);
 		entry = pte_mkclean(entry);
 		set_pte_at(mm, address, pte, entry);
@@ -712,7 +715,8 @@ static int try_to_unmap_one(struct page 
 	 * skipped over this mm) then we should reactivate it.
 	 */
 	if (!migration && ((vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) ||
-			(ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte)))) {
+			(ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+				mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address)))) {
 		ret = SWAP_FAIL;
 		goto out_unmap;
 	}
@@ -720,6 +724,7 @@ static int try_to_unmap_one(struct page 
 	/* Nuke the page table entry. */
 	flush_cache_page(vma, address, page_to_pfn(page));
 	pteval = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 
 	/* Move the dirty bit to the physical page now the pte is gone. */
 	if (pte_dirty(pteval))
@@ -844,12 +849,14 @@ static void try_to_unmap_cluster(unsigne
 		page = vm_normal_page(vma, address, *pte);
 		BUG_ON(!page || PageAnon(page));
 
-		if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
+		if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+		    mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
 			continue;
 
 		/* Nuke the page table entry. */
 		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
 		pteval = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 
 		/* If nonlinear, store the file page offset in the pte. */
 		if (page->index != linear_page_index(vma, address))

-- 

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From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

[-- Attachment #1: mmu_skeleton --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 7362 bytes --]

This is example code for a simple device driver interface to unmap
pages that were externally mapped.

Locking is simple through a single lock that is used to protect the
device drivers data structures as well as a counter that tracks the
active invalidates on a single address space.

The invalidation of extern ptes must be possible with code that does
not require sleeping. The lock is taken for all driver operations on
the mmu that the driver manages. Locking could be made more sophisticated
but I think this is going to be okay for most uses.

Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton.c |  239 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 239 insertions(+)

Index: linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton.c
===================================================================
--- /dev/null	1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton.c	2008-02-08 13:14:16.000000000 -0800
@@ -0,0 +1,239 @@
+#include <linux/mm.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
+#include <linux/err.h>
+#include <linux/init.h>
+#include <linux/pagemap.h>
+
+/*
+ * Skeleton for an mmu notifier without rmap callbacks and no need to slepp
+ * during invalidate_page().
+ *
+ * (C) 2008 Silicon Graphics, Inc.
+ * 		Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
+ *
+ * Note that the locking is fairly basic. One can add various optimizations
+ * here and there. There is a single lock for an address space which should be
+ * satisfactory for most cases. If not then the lock can be split like the
+ * pte_lock in Linux. It is most likely best to place the locks in the
+ * page table structure or into whatever the external mmu uses to
+ * track the mappings.
+ */
+
+struct my_mmu {
+	/* MMU notifier specific fields */
+	struct mmu_notifier notifier;
+	spinlock_t lock;	/* Protects counter and invidual zaps */
+	int invalidates;	/* Number of active range_invalidates */
+};
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held
+ */
+static void my_mmu_insert_page(struct my_mmu *m,
+		unsigned long address, unsigned long pfn)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "insert page %p address=%lx pfn=%ld\n",
+							m, address, pfn);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held (optional but usually required to
+ * protect data structures of the driver).
+ */
+static void my_mmu_zap_page(struct my_mmu *m, unsigned long address)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "zap page %p address=%lx\n", m, address);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held
+ */
+static void my_mmu_zap_range(struct my_mmu *m,
+	unsigned long start, unsigned long end, int atomic)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "zap range %p address=%lx-%lx atomic=%d\n",
+						m, start, end, atomic);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Zap an individual page.
+ *
+ * The page must be locked and a refcount on the page must
+ * be held when this function is called. The page lock is also
+ * acquired when new references are established and the
+ * page lock effecively takes on the role of synchronization.
+ *
+ * The m->lock is only taken to preserve the integrity fo the
+ * drivers data structures since we may also race with
+ * invalidate_range() which will likely access the same mmu
+ * control structures.
+ * m->lock is therefore optional here.
+ */
+static void my_mmu_invalidate_page(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+	struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long address)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);
+	my_mmu_zap_page(m, address);
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Increment and decrement of the number of range invalidates
+ */
+static inline void inc_active(struct my_mmu *m)
+{
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);
+	m->invalidates++;
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+}
+
+static inline void dec_active(struct my_mmu *m)
+{
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);
+	m->invalidates--;
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+}
+
+static void my_mmu_invalidate_range_begin(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+	struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+	int atomic)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	inc_active(m);	/* Holds off new references */
+	my_mmu_zap_range(m, start, end, atomic);
+}
+
+static void my_mmu_invalidate_range_end(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+	struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+	int atomic)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	dec_active(m);		/* Enables new references */
+}
+
+/*
+ * Populate a page.
+ *
+ * A return value of-EAGAIN means please retry this operation.
+ *
+ * Acquisition of mmap_sem can be omitted if the caller already holds
+ * the semaphore.
+ */
+struct page *my_mmu_populate_page(struct my_mmu *m,
+	struct vm_area_struct *vma,
+	unsigned long address, int atomic, int write)
+{
+	struct page *page = ERR_PTR(-EAGAIN);
+	int err;
+
+	/* No need to do anything if a range invalidate is running */
+	if (m->invalidates)
+		goto out;
+
+	if (atomic) {
+
+		if (!down_read_trylock(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem))
+			goto out;
+
+		/* No concurrent invalidates */
+		page = follow_page(vma, address, FOLL_GET +
+					(write ? FOLL_WRITE : 0));
+
+		up_read(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem);
+		if (!page || IS_ERR(page) || TestSetPageLocked(page))
+			goto out;
+
+	} else {
+
+		down_read(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem);
+		err = get_user_pages(current, vma->vm_mm, address, 1,
+						write, 1, &page, NULL);
+
+		up_read(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem);
+		if (err < 0) {
+			page = ERR_PTR(err);
+			goto out;
+		}
+		lock_page(page);
+
+	}
+
+	/*
+	 * The page is now locked and we are holding a refcount on it.
+	 * So things are tied down. Now we can check the page status.
+	 */
+	if (page_mapped(page)) {
+		/*
+		 * Must take the m->lock here to hold off concurrent
+		 * invalidate_range_b/e. Serialization with invalidate_page()
+		 * occurs because we are holding the page lock.
+		 */
+		spin_lock(&m->lock);
+		if (!m->invalidates)
+			my_mmu_insert_page(m, address, page_to_pfn(page));
+		spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+	}
+	unlock_page(page);
+	put_page(page);
+out:
+	return page;
+}
+
+/*
+ * All other threads accessing this mm_struct must have terminated by now.
+ */
+static void my_mmu_release(struct mmu_notifier *mn, struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	my_mmu_zap_range(m, 0, TASK_SIZE, 0);
+	kfree(m);
+	printk(KERN_INFO "MMU Notifier detaching\n");
+}
+
+static struct mmu_notifier_ops my_mmu_ops = {
+	my_mmu_release,
+	NULL,			/* No aging function */
+	my_mmu_invalidate_page,
+	my_mmu_invalidate_range_begin,
+	my_mmu_invalidate_range_end
+};
+
+/*
+ * This function must be called to activate callbacks from a process
+ */
+int my_mmu_attach_to_process(struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = kzalloc(sizeof(struct my_mmu), GFP_KERNEL);
+
+	if (!m)
+		return -ENOMEM;
+
+	m->notifier.ops = &my_mmu_ops;
+	spin_lock_init(&mm->lock);
+
+	/*
+	 * mmap_sem handling can be omitted if it is guaranteed that
+	 * the context from which my_mmu_attach_to_process is called
+	 * is already holding a writelock on mmap_sem.
+	 */
+	down_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
+	mmu_notifier_register(&m->notifier, mm);
+	up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
+
+	/*
+	 * RCU sync is expensive but necessary if we need to guarantee
+	 * that multiple threads running on other cpus have seen the
+	 * notifier changes.
+	 */
+	synchronize_rcu();
+	return 0;
+}
+

-- 

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* [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Support for drivers with revers maps (f.e. for XPmem)
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 4/6] mmu_notifier: Skeleton driver for a simple mmu_notifier Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_rmap_notifier: Skeleton for complex driver that uses its own rmaps Christoph Lameter
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

[-- Attachment #1: mmu_rmap_support --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 8290 bytes --]

These special additional callbacks are required because XPmem (and likely
other mechanisms) do use their own rmap (multiple processes on a series
of remote Linux instances may be accessing the memory of a process).
F.e. XPmem may have to send out notifications to remote Linux instances
and receive confirmation before a page can be freed.

So we handle this like an additional Linux reverse map that is walked after
the existing rmaps have been walked. We leave the walking to the driver that
is then able to use something else than a spinlock to walk its reverse
maps. So we can actually call the driver without holding spinlocks while
we hold the Pagelock.

However, we cannot determine the mm_struct that a page belongs to at
that point. The mm_struct can only be determined from the rmaps by the
device driver.

We add another pageflag (PageExternalRmap) that is set if a page has
been remotely mapped (f.e. by a process from another Linux instance).
We can then only perform the callbacks for pages that are actually in
remote use.

Rmap notifiers need an extra page bit and are only available
on 64 bit platforms. This functionality is not available on 32 bit!

A notifier that uses the reverse maps callbacks does not need to provide
the invalidate_page() method that is called when locks are held.

Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 include/linux/mmu_notifier.h |   65 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 include/linux/page-flags.h   |   11 +++++++
 mm/mmu_notifier.c            |   34 ++++++++++++++++++++++
 mm/rmap.c                    |    9 +++++
 4 files changed, 119 insertions(+)

Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/page-flags.h
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/include/linux/page-flags.h	2008-02-08 12:35:14.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/include/linux/page-flags.h	2008-02-08 12:44:33.000000000 -0800
@@ -105,6 +105,7 @@
  * 64 bit  |           FIELDS             | ??????         FLAGS         |
  *         63                            32                              0
  */
+#define PG_external_rmap	30	/* Page has external rmap */
 #define PG_uncached		31	/* Page has been mapped as uncached */
 #endif
 
@@ -296,6 +297,16 @@ static inline void __ClearPageTail(struc
 #define SetPageUncached(page)	set_bit(PG_uncached, &(page)->flags)
 #define ClearPageUncached(page)	clear_bit(PG_uncached, &(page)->flags)
 
+#if defined(CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER) && defined(CONFIG_64BIT)
+#define PageExternalRmap(page)	test_bit(PG_external_rmap, &(page)->flags)
+#define SetPageExternalRmap(page) set_bit(PG_external_rmap, &(page)->flags)
+#define ClearPageExternalRmap(page) clear_bit(PG_external_rmap, \
+							&(page)->flags)
+#else
+#define ClearPageExternalRmap(page) do {} while (0)
+#define PageExternalRmap(page)	0
+#endif
+
 struct page;	/* forward declaration */
 
 extern void cancel_dirty_page(struct page *page, unsigned int account_size);
Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h	2008-02-08 12:35:14.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h	2008-02-08 12:44:33.000000000 -0800
@@ -23,6 +23,18 @@
  * 	where sleeping is allowed or in atomic contexts. A flag is passed
  * 	to indicate an atomic context.
  *
+ *
+ * 2. mmu_rmap_notifier
+ *
+ *	Callbacks for subsystems that provide their own rmaps. These
+ *	need to walk their own rmaps for a page. The invalidate_page
+ *	callback is outside of locks so that we are not in a strictly
+ *	atomic context (but we may be in a PF_MEMALLOC context if the
+ *	notifier is called from reclaim code) and are able to sleep.
+ *
+ *	Rmap notifiers need an extra page bit and are only available
+ *	on 64 bit platforms.
+ *
  *	Pages must be marked dirty if dirty bits are found to be set in
  *	the external ptes.
  */
@@ -89,6 +101,23 @@ struct mmu_notifier_ops {
 				 int atomic);
 };
 
+struct mmu_rmap_notifier_ops;
+
+struct mmu_rmap_notifier {
+	struct hlist_node hlist;
+	const struct mmu_rmap_notifier_ops *ops;
+};
+
+struct mmu_rmap_notifier_ops {
+	/*
+	 * Called with the page lock held after ptes are modified or removed
+	 * so that a subsystem with its own rmap's can remove remote ptes
+	 * mapping a page.
+	 */
+	void (*invalidate_page)(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn,
+						struct page *page);
+};
+
 #ifdef CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER
 
 /*
@@ -139,6 +168,27 @@ static inline void mmu_notifier_head_ini
 		}							\
 	} while (0)
 
+extern void mmu_rmap_notifier_register(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn);
+extern void mmu_rmap_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn);
+
+/* Must hold PageLock */
+extern void mmu_rmap_export_page(struct page *page);
+
+extern struct hlist_head mmu_rmap_notifier_list;
+
+#define mmu_rmap_notifier(function, args...)				\
+	do {								\
+		struct mmu_rmap_notifier *__mrn;			\
+		struct hlist_node *__n;					\
+									\
+		rcu_read_lock();					\
+		hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(__mrn, __n,			\
+				&mmu_rmap_notifier_list, hlist)		\
+			if (__mrn->ops->function)			\
+				__mrn->ops->function(__mrn, args);	\
+		rcu_read_unlock();					\
+	} while (0);
+
 #else /* CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER */
 
 /*
@@ -157,6 +207,16 @@ static inline void mmu_notifier_head_ini
 		};							\
 	} while (0)
 
+#define mmu_rmap_notifier(function, args...)				\
+	do {								\
+		if (0) {						\
+			struct mmu_rmap_notifier *__mrn;		\
+									\
+			__mrn = (struct mmu_rmap_notifier *)(0x00ff);	\
+			__mrn->ops->function(__mrn, args);		\
+		}							\
+	} while (0);
+
 static inline void mmu_notifier_register(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
 						struct mm_struct *mm) {}
 static inline void mmu_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
@@ -170,6 +230,11 @@ static inline int mmu_notifier_age_page(
 
 static inline void mmu_notifier_head_init(struct mmu_notifier_head *mmh) {}
 
+static inline void mmu_rmap_notifier_register(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn)
+									{}
+static inline void mmu_rmap_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn)
+									{}
+
 #endif /* CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER */
 
 #endif /* _LINUX_MMU_NOTIFIER_H */
Index: linux-2.6/mm/mmu_notifier.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/mmu_notifier.c	2008-02-08 12:44:24.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/mmu_notifier.c	2008-02-08 12:44:33.000000000 -0800
@@ -74,3 +74,37 @@ void mmu_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_
 }
 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(mmu_notifier_unregister);
 
+#ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
+static DEFINE_SPINLOCK(mmu_notifier_list_lock);
+HLIST_HEAD(mmu_rmap_notifier_list);
+
+void mmu_rmap_notifier_register(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn)
+{
+	spin_lock(&mmu_notifier_list_lock);
+	hlist_add_head_rcu(&mrn->hlist, &mmu_rmap_notifier_list);
+	spin_unlock(&mmu_notifier_list_lock);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL(mmu_rmap_notifier_register);
+
+void mmu_rmap_notifier_unregister(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn)
+{
+	spin_lock(&mmu_notifier_list_lock);
+	hlist_del_rcu(&mrn->hlist);
+	spin_unlock(&mmu_notifier_list_lock);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL(mmu_rmap_notifier_unregister);
+
+/*
+ * Export a page.
+ *
+ * Pagelock must be held.
+ * Must be called before a page is put on an external rmap.
+ */
+void mmu_rmap_export_page(struct page *page)
+{
+	BUG_ON(!PageLocked(page));
+	SetPageExternalRmap(page);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL(mmu_rmap_export_page);
+
+#endif
Index: linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-08 12:44:30.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-08 12:44:33.000000000 -0800
@@ -497,6 +497,10 @@ int page_mkclean(struct page *page)
 		struct address_space *mapping = page_mapping(page);
 		if (mapping) {
 			ret = page_mkclean_file(mapping, page);
+			if (unlikely(PageExternalRmap(page))) {
+				mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page);
+				ClearPageExternalRmap(page);
+			}
 			if (page_test_dirty(page)) {
 				page_clear_dirty(page);
 				ret = 1;
@@ -1013,6 +1017,11 @@ int try_to_unmap(struct page *page, int 
 	else
 		ret = try_to_unmap_file(page, migration);
 
+	if (unlikely(PageExternalRmap(page))) {
+		mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page);
+		ClearPageExternalRmap(page);
+	}
+
 	if (!page_mapped(page))
 		ret = SWAP_SUCCESS;
 	return ret;

-- 

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* [patch 6/6] mmu_rmap_notifier: Skeleton for complex driver that uses its own rmaps
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
                   ` (4 preceding siblings ...)
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Support for drivers with revers maps (f.e. for XPmem) Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 22:23 ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
  2008-02-13 14:31 ` Jack Steiner
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

[-- Attachment #1: mmu_rmap_skeleton --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 7832 bytes --]

The skeleton for the rmap notifier leaves the invalidate_page method of
the mmu_notifier empty and hooks a new invalidate_page callback into the
global chain for mmu_rmap_notifiers.

There are seveal simplifications in here to avoid making this too complex.
The reverse maps need to consit of references to vma f.e.

Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton_rmap.c |  265 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 265 insertions(+)

Index: linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton_rmap.c
===================================================================
--- /dev/null	1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000
+++ linux-2.6/Documentation/mmu_notifier/skeleton_rmap.c	2008-02-08 13:25:28.000000000 -0800
@@ -0,0 +1,265 @@
+#include <linux/mm.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
+#include <linux/err.h>
+#include <linux/init.h>
+#include <linux/pagemap.h>
+
+/*
+ * Skeleton for an mmu notifier with rmap callbacks and sleeping during
+ * invalidate_page.
+ *
+ * (C) 2008 Silicon Graphics, Inc.
+ * 		Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
+ *
+ * Note that the locking is fairly basic. One can add various optimizations
+ * here and there. There is a single lock for an address space which should be
+ * satisfactory for most cases. If not then the lock can be split like the
+ * pte_lock in Linux. It is most likely best to place the locks in the
+ * page table structure or into whatever the external mmu uses to
+ * track the mappings.
+ */
+
+struct my_mmu {
+	/* MMU notifier specific fields */
+	struct mmu_notifier notifier;
+	spinlock_t lock;	/* Protects counter and invidual zaps */
+	int invalidates;	/* Number of active range_invalidate */
+
+       /* Rmap support */
+       struct list_head list;	/* rmap list of my_mmu structs */
+       unsigned long base;
+};
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held
+ */
+static void my_mmu_insert_page(struct my_mmu *m,
+		unsigned long address, unsigned long pfn)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "insert page %p address=%lx pfn=%ld\n",
+							m, address, pfn);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held
+ */
+static void my_mmu_zap_range(struct my_mmu *m,
+	unsigned long start, unsigned long end, int atomic)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "zap range %p address=%lx-%lx atomic=%d\n",
+						m, start, end, atomic);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Called with m->lock held (optional but usually required to
+ * protect data structures of the driver).
+ */
+static void my_mmu_zap_page(struct my_mmu *m, unsigned long address)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	printk(KERN_INFO "zap page %p address=%lx\n", m, address);
+}
+
+/*
+ * Increment and decrement of the number of range invalidates
+ */
+static inline void inc_active(struct my_mmu *m)
+{
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);
+	m->invalidates++;
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+}
+
+static inline void dec_active(struct my_mmu *m)
+{
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);
+	m->invalidates--;
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+}
+
+static void my_mmu_invalidate_range_begin(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+	struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+	int atomic)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	inc_active(m);	/* Holds off new references */
+	my_mmu_zap_range(m, start, end, atomic);
+}
+
+static void my_mmu_invalidate_range_end(struct mmu_notifier *mn,
+	struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long start, unsigned long end,
+	int atomic)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	dec_active(m);	/* Enables new references */
+}
+
+/*
+ * Populate a page.
+ *
+ * A return value of-EAGAIN means please retry this operation.
+ *
+ * Acuisition of mmap_sem can be omitted if the caller already holds
+ * the semaphore.
+ */
+struct page *my_mmu_populate_page(struct my_mmu *m,
+	struct vm_area_struct *vma,
+	unsigned long address, int write)
+{
+	struct page *page = ERR_PTR(-EAGAIN);
+	int err;
+
+	/*
+	 * No need to do anything if a range invalidate is running
+	 * Could use a wait queue here to avoid returning -EAGAIN.
+	 */
+	if (m->invalidates)
+		goto out;
+
+	down_read(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem);
+	err = get_user_pages(current, vma->vm_mm, address, 1,
+						write, 1, &page, NULL);
+
+	up_read(&vma->vm_mm->mmap_sem);
+	if (err < 0) {
+		page = ERR_PTR(err);
+		goto out;
+	}
+	lock_page(page);
+
+	/*
+	 * The page is now locked and we are holding a refcount on it.
+	 * So things are tied down. Now we can check the page status.
+	 */
+	if (page_mapped(page)) {
+		/* Could do some preprocessing here. Can sleep */
+		spin_lock(&m->lock);
+		if (!m->invalidates)
+			my_mmu_insert_page(m, address, page_to_pfn(page));
+		spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+		/* Could do some postprocessing here. Can sleep */
+	}
+	unlock_page(page);
+	put_page(page);
+out:
+	return page;
+}
+
+/*
+ * All other threads accessing this mm_struct must have terminated by now.
+ */
+static void my_mmu_release(struct mmu_notifier *mn, struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = container_of(mn, struct my_mmu, notifier);
+
+	my_mmu_zap_range(m, 0, TASK_SIZE, 0);
+	/* No concurrent processes thus no worries about RCU */
+	list_del(&m->list);
+	kfree(m);
+	printk(KERN_INFO "MMU Notifier terminating\n");
+}
+
+static struct mmu_notifier_ops my_mmu_ops = {
+	my_mmu_release,
+	NULL,		/* No aging function */
+	NULL,		/* No atomic invalidate_page function */
+	my_mmu_invalidate_range_begin,
+	my_mmu_invalidate_range_end
+};
+
+/* Rmap specific fields */
+static LIST_HEAD(my_mmu_list);
+static struct rw_semaphore listlock;
+
+/*
+ * This function must be called to activate callbacks from a process
+ */
+int my_mmu_attach_to_process(struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m = kzalloc(sizeof(struct my_mmu), GFP_KERNEL);
+
+	if (!m)
+		return -ENOMEM;
+
+	m->notifier.ops = &my_mmu_ops;
+	spin_lock_init(&m->lock);
+
+	/*
+	 * mmap_sem handling can be omitted if it is guaranteed that
+	 * the context from which my_mmu_attach_to_process is called
+	 * is already holding a writelock on mmap_sem.
+	 */
+	down_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
+	mmu_notifier_register(&m->notifier, mm);
+	up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
+	down_write(&listlock);
+	list_add(&m->list, &my_mmu_list);
+	up_write(&listlock);
+
+	/*
+	 * RCU sync is expensive but necessary if we need to guarantee
+	 * that multiple threads running on other cpus have seen the
+	 * notifier changes.
+	 */
+	synchronize_rcu();
+	return 0;
+}
+
+
+static void my_sleeping_invalidate_page(struct my_mmu *m, unsigned long address)
+{
+	/* Must be provided */
+	spin_lock(&m->lock);	/* Only taken to ensure mmu data integrity */
+	my_mmu_zap_page(m, address);
+	spin_unlock(&m->lock);
+	printk(KERN_INFO "Sleeping invalidate_page %p address=%lx\n",
+                                                               m, address);
+}
+
+static unsigned long my_mmu_find_addr(struct my_mmu *m, struct page *page)
+{
+	/* Determine the address of a page in a mmu segment */
+	return -EFAULT;
+}
+
+/*
+ * A reference must be held on the page passed and the page passed
+ * must be locked. No spinlocks are held. invalidate_page() is held
+ * off by us holding the page lock.
+ */
+static void my_mmu_rmap_invalidate_page(struct mmu_rmap_notifier *mrn,
+							struct page *page)
+{
+	struct my_mmu *m;
+
+	BUG_ON(!PageLocked(page));
+	down_read(&listlock);
+	list_for_each_entry(m, &my_mmu_list, list) {
+		unsigned long address = my_mmu_find_addr(m, page);
+
+		if (address != -EFAULT)
+			my_sleeping_invalidate_page(m, address);
+	}
+	up_read(&listlock);
+}
+
+static struct mmu_rmap_notifier_ops my_mmu_rmap_ops = {
+	.invalidate_page = my_mmu_rmap_invalidate_page
+};
+
+static struct mmu_rmap_notifier my_mmu_rmap_notifier = {
+	.ops = &my_mmu_rmap_ops
+};
+
+static int __init my_mmu_init(void)
+{
+	mmu_rmap_notifier_register(&my_mmu_rmap_notifier);
+	return 0;
+}
+
+late_initcall(my_mmu_init);
+

-- 

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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
                   ` (5 preceding siblings ...)
  2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_rmap_notifier: Skeleton for complex driver that uses its own rmaps Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 22:23 ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-08 23:32   ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 14:31 ` Jack Steiner
  7 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2008-02-08 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: andrea, holt, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra, steiner,
	linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:06:16 -0800
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> This is a patchset implementing MMU notifier callbacks based on Andrea's
> earlier work. These are needed if Linux pages are referenced from something
> else than tracked by the rmaps of the kernel (an external MMU). MMU
> notifiers allow us to get rid of the page pinning for RDMA and various
> other purposes. It gets rid of the broken use of mlock for page pinning.
> (mlock really does *not* pin pages....)
> 
> More information on the rationale and the technical details can be found in
> the first patch and the README provided by that patch in
> Documentation/mmu_notifiers.
> 
> The known immediate users are
> 
> KVM
> - Establishes a refcount to the page via get_user_pages().
> - External references are called spte.
> - Has page tables to track pages whose refcount was elevated but
>   no reverse maps.
> 
> GRU
> - Simple additional hardware TLB (possibly covering multiple instances of
>   Linux)
> - Needs TLB shootdown when the VM unmaps pages.
> - Determines page address via follow_page (from interrupt context) but can
>   fall back to get_user_pages().
> - No page reference possible since no page status is kept..
> 
> XPmem
> - Allows use of a processes memory by remote instances of Linux.
> - Provides its own reverse mappings to track remote pte.
> - Established refcounts on the exported pages.
> - Must sleep in order to wait for remote acks of ptes that are being
>   cleared.
> 

What about ib_umem_get()?

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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 22:23 ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
@ 2008-02-08 23:32   ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 23:36     ` Robin Holt
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: andrea, holt, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra, steiner,
	linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:

> What about ib_umem_get()?

Ok. It pins using an elevated refcount. Same as XPmem right now. With that 
we effectively pin a page (page migration will fail) but we will 
continually be reclaiming the page and may repeatedly try to move it. We 
have issues with XPmem causing too many pages to be pinned and thus the 
OOM getting into weird behavior modes (OOM or stop lru scanning due to 
all_reclaimable set).

An elevated refcount will also not be noticed by any of the schemes under 
consideration to improve LRU scanning performance.

 

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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 23:32   ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 23:36     ` Robin Holt
  2008-02-08 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Robin Holt @ 2008-02-08 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrew Morton, andrea, holt, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 03:32:19PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > What about ib_umem_get()?
> 
> Ok. It pins using an elevated refcount. Same as XPmem right now. With that 
> we effectively pin a page (page migration will fail) but we will 
> continually be reclaiming the page and may repeatedly try to move it. We 
> have issues with XPmem causing too many pages to be pinned and thus the 
> OOM getting into weird behavior modes (OOM or stop lru scanning due to 
> all_reclaimable set).
> 
> An elevated refcount will also not be noticed by any of the schemes under 
> consideration to improve LRU scanning performance.

Christoph, I am not sure what you are saying here.  With v4 and later,
I thought we were able to use the rmap invalidation to remove the ref
count that XPMEM was holding and therefore be able to swapout.  Did I miss
something?  I agree the existing XPMEM does pin.  I hope we are not saying
the XPMEM based upon these patches will not be able to swap/migrate.

Thanks,
Robin

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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 23:36     ` Robin Holt
@ 2008-02-08 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-08 23:43         ` Robin Holt
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-08 23:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robin Holt
  Cc: Andrew Morton, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Robin Holt wrote:

> > > What about ib_umem_get()?
> > 
> > Ok. It pins using an elevated refcount. Same as XPmem right now. With that 
> > we effectively pin a page (page migration will fail) but we will 
> > continually be reclaiming the page and may repeatedly try to move it. We 
> > have issues with XPmem causing too many pages to be pinned and thus the 
> > OOM getting into weird behavior modes (OOM or stop lru scanning due to 
> > all_reclaimable set).
> > 
> > An elevated refcount will also not be noticed by any of the schemes under 
> > consideration to improve LRU scanning performance.
> 
> Christoph, I am not sure what you are saying here.  With v4 and later,
> I thought we were able to use the rmap invalidation to remove the ref
> count that XPMEM was holding and therefore be able to swapout.  Did I miss
> something?  I agree the existing XPMEM does pin.  I hope we are not saying
> the XPMEM based upon these patches will not be able to swap/migrate.

Correct.

You missed the turn of the conversation to how ib_umem_get() works. 
Currently it seems to pin the same way that the SLES10 XPmem works.




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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-08 23:43         ` Robin Holt
  2008-02-08 23:56           ` Andrew Morton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Robin Holt @ 2008-02-08 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Robin Holt, Andrew Morton, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel,
	a.p.zijlstra, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	general

On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 03:41:24PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Robin Holt wrote:
> 
> > > > What about ib_umem_get()?
> 
> Correct.
> 
> You missed the turn of the conversation to how ib_umem_get() works. 
> Currently it seems to pin the same way that the SLES10 XPmem works.

Ah.  I took Andrew's question as more of a probe about whether we had
worked with the IB folks to ensure this fits the ib_umem_get needs
as well.

Thanks,
Robin

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 23:43         ` Robin Holt
@ 2008-02-08 23:56           ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-09  0:05             ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2008-02-08 23:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robin Holt
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:43:02 -0600 Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 03:41:24PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Robin Holt wrote:
> > 
> > > > > What about ib_umem_get()?
> > 
> > Correct.
> > 
> > You missed the turn of the conversation to how ib_umem_get() works. 
> > Currently it seems to pin the same way that the SLES10 XPmem works.
> 
> Ah.  I took Andrew's question as more of a probe about whether we had
> worked with the IB folks to ensure this fits the ib_umem_get needs
> as well.
> 

You took it correctly, and I didn't understand the answer ;)

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 23:56           ` Andrew Morton
@ 2008-02-09  0:05             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: Robin Holt, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra, steiner,
	linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:

> You took it correctly, and I didn't understand the answer ;)

We have done several rounds of discussion on linux-kernel about this so 
far and the IB folks have not shown up to join in. I have tried to make 
this as general as possible.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:05             ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-09  0:12               ` Roland Dreier
  2008-02-09  0:16                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Roland Dreier @ 2008-02-09  0:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrew Morton, andrea, a.p.zijlstra, linux-mm, izike, steiner,
	linux-kernel, avi, kvm-devel, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt,
	general

 > We have done several rounds of discussion on linux-kernel about this so 
 > far and the IB folks have not shown up to join in. I have tried to make 
 > this as general as possible.

Sorry, this has been on my "things to look at" list for a while, but I
haven't gotten a chance to really understand where things are yet.

In general, this MMU notifier stuff will only be useful to a subset of
InfiniBand/RDMA hardware.  Some adapters are smart enough to handle
changing the IO virtual -> bus/physical mapping on the fly, but some
aren't.  For the dumb adapters, I think the current ib_umem_get() is
pretty close to as good as we can get: we have to keep the physical
pages pinned for as long as the adapter is allowed to DMA into the
memory region.

For the smart adapters, we just need a chance to change the adapter's
page table when the kernel/CPU's mapping changes, and naively, this
stuff looks like it would work.

Andrew, does that help?

- R.

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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:05             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
@ 2008-02-09  0:12               ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-09  0:18                 ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2008-02-09  0:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Robin Holt, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra, steiner,
	linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:05:00 -0800 (PST) Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > You took it correctly, and I didn't understand the answer ;)
> 
> We have done several rounds of discussion on linux-kernel about this so 
> far and the IB folks have not shown up to join in. I have tried to make 
> this as general as possible.

infiniband would appear to be the major present in-kernel client of this new
interface.  So as a part of proving its usefulness, correctness, etc we
should surely work on converting infiniband to use it, and prove its
goodness.

Quite possibly none of the infiniband developers even know about it..

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
@ 2008-02-09  0:16                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  0:22                   ` Roland Dreier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  0:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: Andrew Morton, andrea, a.p.zijlstra, linux-mm, izike, steiner,
	linux-kernel, avi, kvm-devel, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt,
	general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Roland Dreier wrote:

> In general, this MMU notifier stuff will only be useful to a subset of
> InfiniBand/RDMA hardware.  Some adapters are smart enough to handle
> changing the IO virtual -> bus/physical mapping on the fly, but some
> aren't.  For the dumb adapters, I think the current ib_umem_get() is
> pretty close to as good as we can get: we have to keep the physical
> pages pinned for as long as the adapter is allowed to DMA into the
> memory region.

I thought the adaptor can always remove the mapping by renegotiating 
with the remote side? Even if its dumb then a callback could notify the 
driver that it may be required to tear down the mapping. We then hold the 
pages until we get okay by the driver that the mapping has been removed.

We could also let the unmapping fail if the driver indicates that the 
mapping must stay.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:12               ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
@ 2008-02-09  0:18                 ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  0:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: Robin Holt, andrea, avi, izike, kvm-devel, a.p.zijlstra, steiner,
	linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:

> Quite possibly none of the infiniband developers even know about it..

Well Andrea's initial approach was even featured on LWN a couple of 
weeks back.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:16                 ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-09  0:22                   ` Roland Dreier
  2008-02-09  0:36                     ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Roland Dreier @ 2008-02-09  0:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: andrea, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

 > I thought the adaptor can always remove the mapping by renegotiating 
 > with the remote side? Even if its dumb then a callback could notify the 
 > driver that it may be required to tear down the mapping. We then hold the 
 > pages until we get okay by the driver that the mapping has been removed.

Of course we can always destroy the memory region but that would break
the semantics that applications expect.  Basically an application can
register some chunk of its memory and get a key that it can pass to a
remote peer to let the remote peer operate on its memory via RDMA.
And that memory region/key is expected to stay valid until there is an
application-level operation to destroy it (or until the app crashes or
gets killed, etc).

 > We could also let the unmapping fail if the driver indicates that the 
 > mapping must stay.

That would of course work -- dumb adapters would just always fail,
which might be inefficient.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:22                   ` Roland Dreier
@ 2008-02-09  0:36                     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  1:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  0:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: andrea, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel, Rik van Riel

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Roland Dreier wrote:

> That would of course work -- dumb adapters would just always fail,
> which might be inefficient.

Hmmmm.. that means we need something that actually pins pages for good so 
that the VM can avoid reclaiming it and so that page migration can avoid 
trying to migrate them. Something like yet another page flag.

Ccing Rik.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  0:36                     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-09  1:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-09  1:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Arcangeli @ 2008-02-09  1:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel, Rik van Riel

On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 04:36:16PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Roland Dreier wrote:
> 
> > That would of course work -- dumb adapters would just always fail,
> > which might be inefficient.
> 
> Hmmmm.. that means we need something that actually pins pages for good so 
> that the VM can avoid reclaiming it and so that page migration can avoid 
> trying to migrate them. Something like yet another page flag.

What's wrong with pinning with the page count like now? Dumb adapters
would simply not register themself in the mmu notifier list no?

> 
> Ccing Rik.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  1:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
@ 2008-02-09  1:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09  1:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  1:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrea Arcangeli
  Cc: Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel, Rik van Riel

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> > Hmmmm.. that means we need something that actually pins pages for good so 
> > that the VM can avoid reclaiming it and so that page migration can avoid 
> > trying to migrate them. Something like yet another page flag.
> 
> What's wrong with pinning with the page count like now? Dumb adapters
> would simply not register themself in the mmu notifier list no?

Pages will still be on the LRU and cycle through rmap again and again. 
If page migration is used on those pages then the code may make repeated 
attempt to migrate the page thinking that the page count must at some 
point drop.

I do not think that the page count was intended to be used to pin pages 
permanently. If we had a marker on such pages then we could take them off 
the LRU and not try to migrate them.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  1:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-09  1:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-09  2:16                             ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Arcangeli @ 2008-02-09  1:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel, Rik van Riel

On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 05:27:03PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> Pages will still be on the LRU and cycle through rmap again and again. 
> If page migration is used on those pages then the code may make repeated 
> attempt to migrate the page thinking that the page count must at some 
> point drop.
>
> I do not think that the page count was intended to be used to pin pages 
> permanently. If we had a marker on such pages then we could take them off 
> the LRU and not try to migrate them.

The VM shouldn't break if try_to_unmap doesn't actually make the page
freeable for whatever reason. Permanent pins shouldn't happen anyway,
so defining an ad-hoc API for that doesn't sound too appealing. Not
sure if old hardware deserves those special lru-size-reduction
optimizations but it's not my call (certainly swapoff/mlock would get
higher priority in that lru-size-reduction area).

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  1:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
@ 2008-02-09  2:16                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-09 12:55                               ` Rik van Riel
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09  2:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrea Arcangeli
  Cc: Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel, Rik van Riel

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> The VM shouldn't break if try_to_unmap doesn't actually make the page
> freeable for whatever reason. Permanent pins shouldn't happen anyway,

VM is livelocking if too many page are pinned that way right now. The 
higher the processors per node the higher the risk of livelock because 
more processors are in the process of cycling through pages that have an 
elevated refcount.

> so defining an ad-hoc API for that doesn't sound too appealing. Not
> sure if old hardware deserves those special lru-size-reduction
> optimizations but it's not my call (certainly swapoff/mlock would get
> higher priority in that lru-size-reduction area).

Rik has a patchset under development that addresses issues like this. The 
elevated refcount pin problem is not really relevant to the patchset we 
are discussing here.
 

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09  2:16                             ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-09 12:55                               ` Rik van Riel
  2008-02-09 21:46                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Rik van Riel @ 2008-02-09 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner,
	linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general,
	Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:16:16 -0800 (PST)
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > The VM shouldn't break if try_to_unmap doesn't actually make the page
> > freeable for whatever reason. Permanent pins shouldn't happen anyway,
> 
> VM is livelocking if too many page are pinned that way right now.

> Rik has a patchset under development that addresses issues like this

PG_mlock is on the way and can easily be reused for this, too.

-- 
All rights reversed.

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* Re: [ofa-general] Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-09 12:55                               ` Rik van Riel
@ 2008-02-09 21:46                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-11 22:40                                   ` Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6) Roland Dreier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-09 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rik van Riel
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Roland Dreier, a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner,
	linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general,
	Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Rik van Riel wrote:

> PG_mlock is on the way and can easily be reused for this, too.

Note that a pinned page is different from an mlocked page. A mlocked page 
can be moved through page migration and/or memory hotplug. A pinned page 
must make both fail.


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* Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6)
  2008-02-09 21:46                                 ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-11 22:40                                   ` Roland Dreier
  2008-02-12 22:01                                     ` Steve Wise
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Roland Dreier @ 2008-02-11 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: general
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

[Adding general@lists.openfabrics.org to get the IB/RDMA people involved]

This thread has patches that add support for notifying drivers when a
process's memory map changes.  The hope is that this is useful for
letting RDMA devices handle registered memory without pinning the
underlying pages, by updating the RDMA device's translation tables
whenever the host kernel's tables change.

Is anyone interested in working on using this for drivers/infiniband?
I am interested in participating, but I don't think I have enough time
to do this by myself.

Also, at least naively it seems that this is only useful for hardware
that has support for this type of demand paging, and can handle
not-present pages, generating interrupts for page faults, etc.  I know
that Mellanox HCAs should have this support; are there any other
devices that can do this?

The beginning of this thread is at <http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/8/458>.

 - R.

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* Re: Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6)
  2008-02-11 22:40                                   ` Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6) Roland Dreier
@ 2008-02-12 22:01                                     ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-12 22:10                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Steve Wise @ 2008-02-12 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: general, Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

Roland Dreier wrote:
> [Adding general@lists.openfabrics.org to get the IB/RDMA people involved]
> 
> This thread has patches that add support for notifying drivers when a
> process's memory map changes.  The hope is that this is useful for
> letting RDMA devices handle registered memory without pinning the
> underlying pages, by updating the RDMA device's translation tables
> whenever the host kernel's tables change.
> 
> Is anyone interested in working on using this for drivers/infiniband?
> I am interested in participating, but I don't think I have enough time
> to do this by myself.

I don't have time, although it would be interesting work!

> 
> Also, at least naively it seems that this is only useful for hardware
> that has support for this type of demand paging, and can handle
> not-present pages, generating interrupts for page faults, etc.  I know
> that Mellanox HCAs should have this support; are there any other
> devices that can do this?
>

Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.


Steve.

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* Re: Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6)
  2008-02-12 22:01                                     ` Steve Wise
@ 2008-02-12 22:10                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-12 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steve Wise
  Cc: Roland Dreier, general, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Steve Wise wrote:

> Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.

Not so far I guess but it could be equipped with these features right? 

Having the VM manage the memory area for Infiniband allows more reliable 
system operations and enables the sharing of large memory areas via 
Infiniband without the risk of livelocks or OOMs.


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 22:10                                       ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` Roland Dreier
  2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
                                                             ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Roland Dreier @ 2008-02-12 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Steve Wise, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike,
	steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt,
	general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

 > > Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.

 > Not so far I guess but it could be equipped with these features right? 

I don't know anything about the T3 internals, but it's not clear that
you could do this without a new chip design in general.  Lot's of RDMA
devices were designed expecting that when a packet arrives, the HW can
look up the bus address for a given memory region/offset and place the
packet immediately.  It seems like a major change to be able to
generate a "page fault" interrupt when a page isn't present, or even
just wait to scatter some data until the host finishes updating page
tables when the HW needs the translation.

 - R.


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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
@ 2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
  2008-02-13  0:57                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-12 23:23                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
                                                             ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Felix Marti @ 2008-02-12 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier, Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike,
	linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general,
	Andrew Morton, kvm-devel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.openfabrics.org] On Behalf Of Roland Dreier
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:42 PM
> To: Christoph Lameter
> Cc: Rik van Riel; steiner@sgi.com; Andrea Arcangeli;
> a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl; izike@qumranet.com; linux-
> kernel@vger.kernel.org; avi@qumranet.com; linux-mm@kvack.org;
> daniel.blueman@quadrics.com; Robin Holt;
general@lists.openfabrics.org;
> Andrew Morton; kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
> 
>  > > Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.
> 
>  > Not so far I guess but it could be equipped with these features
> right?
> 
> I don't know anything about the T3 internals, but it's not clear that
> you could do this without a new chip design in general.  Lot's of RDMA
> devices were designed expecting that when a packet arrives, the HW can
> look up the bus address for a given memory region/offset and place the
> packet immediately.  It seems like a major change to be able to
> generate a "page fault" interrupt when a page isn't present, or even
> just wait to scatter some data until the host finishes updating page
> tables when the HW needs the translation.

That is correct, not a change we can make for T3. We could, in theory,
deal with changing mappings though. The change would need to be
synchronized though: the VM would need to tell us which mapping were
about to change and the driver would then need to disable DMA to/from
it, do the change and resume DMA.

> 
>  - R.
> 
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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
  2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
@ 2008-02-12 23:23                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  1:01                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  0:56                                           ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 12:11                                           ` Christoph Raisch
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-12 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 02:41:48PM -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
>  > > Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.
> 
>  > Not so far I guess but it could be equipped with these features right? 
> 
> I don't know anything about the T3 internals, but it's not clear that
> you could do this without a new chip design in general.  Lot's of RDMA
> devices were designed expecting that when a packet arrives, the HW can
> look up the bus address for a given memory region/offset and place
> the

Well, certainly today the memfree IB devices store the page tables in
host memory so they are already designed to hang onto packets during
the page lookup over PCIE, adding in faulting makes this time
larger.

But this is not a good thing at all, IB's congestion model is based on
the notion that end ports can always accept packets without making
input contigent on output. If you take a software interrupt to fill in
the page pointer then you could potentially deadlock on the
fabric. For example using this mechanism to allow swap-in of RDMA target
pages and then putting the storage over IB would be deadlock
prone. Even without deadlock slowing down the input path will cause
network congestion and poor performance for other nodes. It is not a
desirable thing to do..

I expect that iwarp running over flow controlled ethernet has similar
kinds of problems for similar reasons..

In general the best I think you can hope for with RDMA hardware is
page migration using some atomic operations with the adaptor and a cpu
page copy with retry sort of scheme - but is pure page migration
interesting at all?

Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
  2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
  2008-02-12 23:23                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  0:56                                           ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 12:11                                           ` Christoph Raisch
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13  0:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: Steve Wise, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike,
	steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt,
	general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Roland Dreier wrote:

> I don't know anything about the T3 internals, but it's not clear that
> you could do this without a new chip design in general.  Lot's of RDMA
> devices were designed expecting that when a packet arrives, the HW can
> look up the bus address for a given memory region/offset and place the
> packet immediately.  It seems like a major change to be able to
> generate a "page fault" interrupt when a page isn't present, or even
> just wait to scatter some data until the host finishes updating page
> tables when the HW needs the translation.

Well if the VM wants to invalidate a page then the remote end first has to 
remove its mapping. 

If a page has been removed then the remote end would encounter a fault and 
then would have to wait for the local end to reestablish its mapping 
before proceeding.

So the packet would only be generated when both ends are in sync.



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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
@ 2008-02-13  0:57                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13  0:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felix Marti
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Felix Marti wrote:

> > I don't know anything about the T3 internals, but it's not clear that
> > you could do this without a new chip design in general.  Lot's of RDMA
> > devices were designed expecting that when a packet arrives, the HW can
> > look up the bus address for a given memory region/offset and place the
> > packet immediately.  It seems like a major change to be able to
> > generate a "page fault" interrupt when a page isn't present, or even
> > just wait to scatter some data until the host finishes updating page
> > tables when the HW needs the translation.
> 
> That is correct, not a change we can make for T3. We could, in theory,
> deal with changing mappings though. The change would need to be
> synchronized though: the VM would need to tell us which mapping were
> about to change and the driver would then need to disable DMA to/from
> it, do the change and resume DMA.

Right. That is the intend of the patchset.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 23:23                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  1:01                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  1:55                                               ` Christian Bell
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13  1:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> Well, certainly today the memfree IB devices store the page tables in
> host memory so they are already designed to hang onto packets during
> the page lookup over PCIE, adding in faulting makes this time
> larger.

You really do not need a page table to use it. What needs to be maintained 
is knowledge on both side about what pages are currently shared across 
RDMA. If the VM decides to reclaim a page then the notification is used to 
remove the remote entry. If the remote side then tries to access the page 
again then the page fault on the remote side will stall until the local 
page has been brought back. RDMA can proceed after both sides again agree 
on that page now being sharable.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  1:01                                             ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  1:45                                                 ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  1:55                                               ` Christian Bell
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-13  1:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:01:17PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > Well, certainly today the memfree IB devices store the page tables in
> > host memory so they are already designed to hang onto packets during
> > the page lookup over PCIE, adding in faulting makes this time
> > larger.
> 
> You really do not need a page table to use it. What needs to be maintained 
> is knowledge on both side about what pages are currently shared across 
> RDMA. If the VM decides to reclaim a page then the notification is used to 
> remove the remote entry. If the remote side then tries to access the page 
> again then the page fault on the remote side will stall until the local 
> page has been brought back. RDMA can proceed after both sides again agree 
> on that page now being sharable.

The problem is that the existing wire protocols do not have a
provision for doing an 'are you ready' or 'I am not ready' exchange
and they are not designed to store page tables on both sides as you
propose. The remote side can send RDMA WRITE traffic at any time after
the RDMA region is established. The local side must be able to handle
it. There is no way to signal that a page is not ready and the remote
should not send.

This means the only possible implementation is to stall/discard at the
local adaptor when a RDMA WRITE is recieved for a page that has been
reclaimed. This is what leads to deadlock/poor performance..

Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  1:45                                                 ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Steve Wise @ 2008-02-13  1:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner,
	Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 05:01:17PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>
>>> Well, certainly today the memfree IB devices store the page tables in
>>> host memory so they are already designed to hang onto packets during
>>> the page lookup over PCIE, adding in faulting makes this time
>>> larger.
>> You really do not need a page table to use it. What needs to be maintained 
>> is knowledge on both side about what pages are currently shared across 
>> RDMA. If the VM decides to reclaim a page then the notification is used to 
>> remove the remote entry. If the remote side then tries to access the page 
>> again then the page fault on the remote side will stall until the local 
>> page has been brought back. RDMA can proceed after both sides again agree 
>> on that page now being sharable.
> 
> The problem is that the existing wire protocols do not have a
> provision for doing an 'are you ready' or 'I am not ready' exchange
> and they are not designed to store page tables on both sides as you
> propose. The remote side can send RDMA WRITE traffic at any time after
> the RDMA region is established. The local side must be able to handle
> it. There is no way to signal that a page is not ready and the remote
> should not send.
> 
> This means the only possible implementation is to stall/discard at the
> local adaptor when a RDMA WRITE is recieved for a page that has been
> reclaimed. This is what leads to deadlock/poor performance..
>

If the events are few and far between then this model is probably ok. 
For iWARP, it means TCP retransmit and slow start and all that, but if 
its an infrequent event, then its ok if it helps the host better manage 
memory.

Maybe... ;-)


Steve.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  1:01                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  1:55                                               ` Christian Bell
  2008-02-13  2:19                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christian Bell @ 2008-02-13  1:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > Well, certainly today the memfree IB devices store the page tables in
> > host memory so they are already designed to hang onto packets during
> > the page lookup over PCIE, adding in faulting makes this time
> > larger.
> 
> You really do not need a page table to use it. What needs to be maintained 
> is knowledge on both side about what pages are currently shared across 
> RDMA. If the VM decides to reclaim a page then the notification is used to 
> remove the remote entry. If the remote side then tries to access the page 
> again then the page fault on the remote side will stall until the local 
> page has been brought back. RDMA can proceed after both sides again agree 
> on that page now being sharable.

HPC environments won't be amenable to a pessimistic approach of
synchronizing before every data transfer.  RDMA is assumed to be a
low-level data movement mechanism that has no implied
synchronization.  In some parallel programming models, it's not
uncommon to use RDMA to send 8-byte messages.  It can be difficult to
make and hold guarantees about in-memory pages when many concurrent
RDMA operations are in flight (not uncommon in reasonably large
machines).  Some of the in-memory page information could be shared
with some form of remote caching strategy but then it's a different
problem with its own scalability challenges.

I think there are very potential clients of the interface when an
optimistic approach is used.  Part of the trick, however, has to do
with being able to re-start transfers instead of buffering the data
or making guarantees about delivery that could cause deadlock (as was
alluded to earlier in this thread).  InfiniBand is constrained in
this regard since it requires message-ordering between endpoints (or
queue pairs).  One could argue that this is still possible with IB,
at the cost of throwing more packets away when a referenced page is
not in memory.  With this approach, the worse case demand paging
scenario is met when the active working set of referenced pages is
larger than the amount physical memory -- but HPC applications are
already bound by this anyway.

You'll find that Quadrics has the most experience in this area and
that their entire architecture is adapted to being optimistic about
demand paging in RDMA transfers -- they've been maintaining a patchset
to do this for years.

    . . christian


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  1:55                                               ` Christian Bell
@ 2008-02-13  2:19                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13  2:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Bell
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Christian Bell wrote:

> I think there are very potential clients of the interface when an
> optimistic approach is used.  Part of the trick, however, has to do
> with being able to re-start transfers instead of buffering the data
> or making guarantees about delivery that could cause deadlock (as was
> alluded to earlier in this thread).  InfiniBand is constrained in
> this regard since it requires message-ordering between endpoints (or
> queue pairs).  One could argue that this is still possible with IB,
> at the cost of throwing more packets away when a referenced page is
> not in memory.  With this approach, the worse case demand paging
> scenario is met when the active working set of referenced pages is
> larger than the amount physical memory -- but HPC applications are
> already bound by this anyway.
> 
> You'll find that Quadrics has the most experience in this area and
> that their entire architecture is adapted to being optimistic about
> demand paging in RDMA transfers -- they've been maintaining a patchset
> to do this for years.

The notifier patchset that we are discussing here was mostly inspired by 
their work. 

There is no need to restart transfers that you have never started in the 
first place. The remote side would never start a transfer if the page 
reference has been torn down. In order to start the transfer a fault 
handler on the remote side would have to setup the association between the 
memory on both ends again.




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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  1:45                                                 ` Steve Wise
@ 2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13  2:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> The problem is that the existing wire protocols do not have a
> provision for doing an 'are you ready' or 'I am not ready' exchange
> and they are not designed to store page tables on both sides as you
> propose. The remote side can send RDMA WRITE traffic at any time after
> the RDMA region is established. The local side must be able to handle
> it. There is no way to signal that a page is not ready and the remote
> should not send.
> 
> This means the only possible implementation is to stall/discard at the
> local adaptor when a RDMA WRITE is recieved for a page that has been
> reclaimed. This is what leads to deadlock/poor performance..

You would only use the wire protocols *after* having established the RDMA 
region. The notifier chains allows a RDMA region (or parts thereof) to be 
down on demand by the VM. The region can be reestablished if one of 
the side accesses it. I hope I got that right. Not much exposure to 
Infiniband so far.

Lets say you have a two systems A and B. Each has their memory region MemA 
and MemB. Each side also has page tables for this region PtA and PtB.

Now you establish a RDMA connection between both side. The pages in both
MemB and MemA are present and so are entries in PtA and PtB. RDMA 
traffic can proceed.

The VM on system A now gets into a situation in which memory becomes 
heavily used by another (maybe non RDMA process) and after checking that 
there was no recent reference to MemA and MemB (via a notifier aging 
callback) decides to reclaim the memory from MemA.

In that case it will notify the RDMA subsystem on A that it is trying to
reclaim a certain page.

The RDMA subsystem on A will then send a message to B notifying it that 
the memory will be going away. B now has to remove its corresponding page 
from memory (and drop the entry in PtB) and confirm to A that this has 
happened. RDMA traffic is then stopped for this page. Then A can also 
remove its page, the corresponding entry in PtA and the page is reclaimed 
or pushed out to swap completing the page reclaim.

If either side then accesses the page again then the reverse process 
happens. If B accesses the page then it wil first of all incur a page 
fault because the entry in PtB is missing. The fault will then cause a 
message to be send to A to establish the page again. A will create an 
entry in PtA and will then confirm to B that the page was established. At 
that point RDMA operations can occur again.

So the whole scheme does not really need a hardware page table in the RDMA 
hardware. The page tables of the two systems A and B are sufficient.

The scheme can also be applied to a larger range than only a single page. 
The RDMA subsystem could tear down a large section when reclaim is 
pushing on it and then reestablish it as needed.

Swapping and page reclaim is certainly not something that improves the 
speed of the application affected by swapping and page reclaim but it 
allows the VM to manage memory effectively if multiple loads are runing on 
a system.


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  3:56                                                     ` Patrick Geoffray
  2008-02-13 18:51                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-13  3:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 06:35:09PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > The problem is that the existing wire protocols do not have a
> > provision for doing an 'are you ready' or 'I am not ready' exchange
> > and they are not designed to store page tables on both sides as you
> > propose. The remote side can send RDMA WRITE traffic at any time after
> > the RDMA region is established. The local side must be able to handle
> > it. There is no way to signal that a page is not ready and the remote
> > should not send.
> > 
> > This means the only possible implementation is to stall/discard at the
> > local adaptor when a RDMA WRITE is recieved for a page that has been
> > reclaimed. This is what leads to deadlock/poor performance..
> 
> You would only use the wire protocols *after* having established the RDMA 
> region. The notifier chains allows a RDMA region (or parts thereof) to be 
> down on demand by the VM. The region can be reestablished if one of 
> the side accesses it. I hope I got that right. Not much exposure to 
> Infiniband so far.

[clip explaination]

But this isn't how IB or iwarp work at all. What you describe is a
significant change to the general RDMA operation and requires changes to
both sides of the connection and the wire protocol.

A few comments on RDMA operation that might clarify things a little
bit more:
 - In RDMA (iwarp and IB versions) the hardware page tables exist to
   linearize the local memory so the remote does not need to be aware
   of non-linearities in the physical address space. The main
   motivation for this is kernel bypass where the user space app wants
   to instruct the remote side to DMA into memory using user space
   addresses. Hardware provides the page tables to switch from
   incoming user space virtual addresses to physical addresess.

   This greatly simplifies the user space programming model since you
   don't need to pass around or create s/g lists for memory that is
   already virtually continuous.

   Many kernel RDMA drivers (SCSI, NFS) only use the HW page tables
   for access control and enforcing the liftime of the mapping.

   The page tables in the RDMA hardware exist primarily to support
   this, and not for other reasons. The pinning of pages is one part
   to support the HW page tables and one part to support the RDMA
   lifetime rules, the liftime rules are what cause problems for
   the VM.
 - The wire protocol consists of packets that say 'Write XXX bytes to
   offset YY in Region RRR'. Creating a region produces the RRR label
   and currently pins the pages. So long as the RRR label is valid the
   remote side can issue write packets at any time without any
   further synchronization. There is no wire level events associated
   with creating RRR. You can pass RRR to the other machine in any
   fashion, even using carrier pigeons :)
 - The RDMA layer is very general (ala TCP), useful protocols (like SCSI)
   are built on top of it and they specify the lifetime rules and
   protocol for exchanging RRR.

   Every protocol is different. In kernel protocols like SRP and NFS
   RDMA seem to have very short lifetimes for RRR and work more like
   pci_map_* in real SCSI hardware.
 - HPC userspace apps, like MPI apps, have different lifetime rules
   and tend to be really long lived. These people will not want
   anything that makes their OPs more expensive and also probably
   don't care too much about the VM problems you are looking at (?)
 - There is no protocol support to exchange RRR. This is all done
   by upper level protocols (ala HTTP vs TCP). You cannot assert
   and revoke RRR in a general way. Every protocol is different
   and optimized.

   This is your step 'A will then send a message to B notifying..'.
   It simply does not exist in the protocol specifications

I don't know much about Quadrics, but I would be hesitant to lump it
in too much with these RDMA semantics. Christian's comments sound like
they operate closer to what you described and that is why the have an
existing patch set. I don't know :)

What it boils down to is that to implement true removal of pages in a
general way the kernel and HCA must either drop packets or stall
incoming packets, both are big performance problems - and I can't see
many users wanting this. Enterprise style people using SCSI, NFS, etc
already have short pin periods and HPC MPI users probably won't care
about the VM issues enough to warrent the performance overhead.

Regards,
Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  3:56                                                     ` Patrick Geoffray
  2008-02-13  4:26                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13 18:51                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Geoffray @ 2008-02-13  3:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner,
	Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman

Jason,

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> I don't know much about Quadrics, but I would be hesitant to lump it
> in too much with these RDMA semantics. Christian's comments sound like
> they operate closer to what you described and that is why the have an
> existing patch set. I don't know :)

The Quadrics folks have been doing RDMA for 10 years, there is a reason 
why they maintained a patch.

> What it boils down to is that to implement true removal of pages in a
> general way the kernel and HCA must either drop packets or stall
> incoming packets, both are big performance problems - and I can't see
> many users wanting this. Enterprise style people using SCSI, NFS, etc
> already have short pin periods and HPC MPI users probably won't care
> about the VM issues enough to warrent the performance overhead.

This is not true, HPC people do care about the VM issues a lot. Memory 
registration (pinning and translating) is usually too expensive to be 
performed in the critical path before and after each send or receive. So 
they factor it out by registering a buffer the first time it is used, 
and keeping it registered in a registration cache. However, the 
application may free() a buffer that is in the registration cache, so 
HPC people provide their own malloc to catch free(). They also try to 
catch sbrk() and munmap() to deregister memory before it is released to 
the OS. This is a Major pain that a VM notifier would easily solve. 
Being able to swap registered pages to disk or migrate them in a NUMA 
system is a welcome bonus.

Patrick
-- 
Patrick Geoffray
Myricom, Inc.
http://www.myri.com

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
  2008-02-13 19:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 23:23                                                     ` Pete Wyckoff
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christian Bell @ 2008-02-13  4:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > The problem is that the existing wire protocols do not have a
> > provision for doing an 'are you ready' or 'I am not ready' exchange
> > and they are not designed to store page tables on both sides as you
> > propose. The remote side can send RDMA WRITE traffic at any time after
> > the RDMA region is established. The local side must be able to handle
> > it. There is no way to signal that a page is not ready and the remote
> > should not send.
> > 
> > This means the only possible implementation is to stall/discard at the
> > local adaptor when a RDMA WRITE is recieved for a page that has been
> > reclaimed. This is what leads to deadlock/poor performance..

You're arguing that a HW page table is not needed by describing a use
case that is essentially what all RDMA solutions already do above the
wire protocols (all solutions except Quadrics, of course).

> You would only use the wire protocols *after* having established the RDMA 
> region. The notifier chains allows a RDMA region (or parts thereof) to be 
> down on demand by the VM. The region can be reestablished if one of 
> the side accesses it. I hope I got that right. Not much exposure to 
> Infiniband so far.

RDMA is already always used *after* memory regions are set up --
they are set up out-of-band w.r.t RDMA but essentially this is the
"before" part.

> Lets say you have a two systems A and B. Each has their memory region MemA 
> and MemB. Each side also has page tables for this region PtA and PtB.
> 
> Now you establish a RDMA connection between both side. The pages in both
> MemB and MemA are present and so are entries in PtA and PtB. RDMA 
> traffic can proceed.
> 
> The VM on system A now gets into a situation in which memory becomes 
> heavily used by another (maybe non RDMA process) and after checking that 
> there was no recent reference to MemA and MemB (via a notifier aging 
> callback) decides to reclaim the memory from MemA.
> 
> In that case it will notify the RDMA subsystem on A that it is trying to
> reclaim a certain page.
> 
> The RDMA subsystem on A will then send a message to B notifying it that 
> the memory will be going away. B now has to remove its corresponding page 
> from memory (and drop the entry in PtB) and confirm to A that this has 
> happened. RDMA traffic is then stopped for this page. Then A can also 
> remove its page, the corresponding entry in PtA and the page is reclaimed 
> or pushed out to swap completing the page reclaim.
> 
> If either side then accesses the page again then the reverse process 
> happens. If B accesses the page then it wil first of all incur a page 
> fault because the entry in PtB is missing. The fault will then cause a 
> message to be send to A to establish the page again. A will create an 
> entry in PtA and will then confirm to B that the page was established. At 
> that point RDMA operations can occur again.

The notifier-reclaim cycle you describe is akin to the out-of-band
pin-unpin control messages used by existing communication libraries.
Also, I think what you are proposing can have problems at scale -- A
must keep track of all of the (potentially many systems) of memA and
cooperatively get an agreement from all these systems before reclaiming
the page.

When messages are sufficiently large, the control messaging necessary
to setup/teardown the regions is relatively small.  This is not
always the case however -- in programming models that employ smaller
messages, the one-sided nature of RDMA is the most attractive part of
it.  

> So the whole scheme does not really need a hardware page table in the RDMA 
> hardware. The page tables of the two systems A and B are sufficient.
> 
> The scheme can also be applied to a larger range than only a single page. 
> The RDMA subsystem could tear down a large section when reclaim is 
> pushing on it and then reestablish it as needed.

Nothing any communication/runtime system can't already do today.  The
point of RDMA demand paging is enabling the possibility of using RDMA
without the implied synchronization -- the optimistic part.  Using
the notifiers to duplicate existing memory region handling for RDMA
hardware that doesn't have HW page tables is possible but undermines
the more important consumer of your patches in my opinion.

One other area that has not been brought up yet (I think) is the
applicability of notifiers in letting users know when pinned memory
is reclaimed by the kernel.  This is useful when a lower-level
library employs lazy deregistration strategies on memory regions that
are subsequently released to the kernel via the application's use of
munmap or sbrk.  Ohio Supercomputing Center has work in this area but
a generalized approach in the kernel would certainly be welcome.


    . . christian

-- 
christian.bell@qlogic.com
(QLogic Host Solutions Group, formerly Pathscale)

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  3:56                                                     ` Patrick Geoffray
@ 2008-02-13  4:26                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  4:47                                                         ` Patrick Geoffray
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-13  4:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Patrick Geoffray
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Roland Dreier, linux-kernel, linux-mm, general

[mangled CC list trimmed]
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:56:26PM -0500, Patrick Geoffray wrote:

> Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> I don't know much about Quadrics, but I would be hesitant to lump it
>> in too much with these RDMA semantics. Christian's comments sound like
>> they operate closer to what you described and that is why the have an
>> existing patch set. I don't know :)
>
> The Quadrics folks have been doing RDMA for 10 years, there is a reason why 
> they maintained a patch.

This wasn't ment as a slight against Quadrics, only to point out that
the specific wire protcols used by IB and iwarp are what cause this
limitation, it would be easy to imagine that Quadrics has some
additional twist that can make this easier..

>> What it boils down to is that to implement true removal of pages in a
>> general way the kernel and HCA must either drop packets or stall
>> incoming packets, both are big performance problems - and I can't see
>> many users wanting this. Enterprise style people using SCSI, NFS, etc
>> already have short pin periods and HPC MPI users probably won't care
>> about the VM issues enough to warrent the performance overhead.
>
> This is not true, HPC people do care about the VM issues a lot. Memory
> registration (pinning and translating) is usually too expensive to

I ment that HPC users are unlikely to want to swap active RDMA pages
if this causes a performance cost on normal operations. None of my
comments are ment to imply that lazy de-registration or page migration
are not good things.

Regards,
Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  4:26                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13  4:47                                                         ` Patrick Geoffray
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Geoffray @ 2008-02-13  4:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Roland Dreier, linux-kernel, linux-mm, general

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> [mangled CC list trimmed]
Thanks, noticed that afterwards.

> This wasn't ment as a slight against Quadrics, only to point out that
> the specific wire protcols used by IB and iwarp are what cause this
> limitation, it would be easy to imagine that Quadrics has some
> additional twist that can make this easier..

The wire protocols are similar, nothing fancy. The specificity of 
Quadrics (and many others) is that they can change the behavior of the 
NIC in firmware, so they adapt to what the OS offers. They had the VM 
notifier support in Tru64 back in the days, they just ported the 
functionality to Linux.

> I ment that HPC users are unlikely to want to swap active RDMA pages
> if this causes a performance cost on normal operations. None of my

Swapping to disk is not a normal operations in HPC, it's going to be 
slow anyway. The main problem for HPC users is not swapping, it's that 
they do not know when a registered page is released to the OS through 
free(), sbrk() or munmap(). Like swapping, they don't expect that it 
will happen often, but they have to handle it gracefully.

Patrick
-- 
Patrick Geoffray
Myricom, Inc.
http://www.myri.com

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
                                                             ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2008-02-13  0:56                                           ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 12:11                                           ` Christoph Raisch
  2008-02-13 19:02                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Raisch @ 2008-02-13 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Roland Dreier
  Cc: Andrew Morton, Andrea Arcangeli, avi, a.p.zijlstra,
	Christoph Lameter, daniel.blueman, general, general-bounces,
	Robin Holt, izike, kvm-devel, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	Rik van Riel, steiner


>  > > Chelsio's T3 HW doesn't support this.


For ehca we currently can't modify a large MR when it has been allocated.
EHCA Hardware expects the pages to be there (MRs must not have "holes").
This is also true for the global MR covering all kernel space.
Therefore we still need the memory to be "pinned" if ib_umem_get() is
called.

So with the current implementation we don't have much use for a notifier.


"It is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future"
Gruss / Regards
Christoph Raisch + Hoang-Nam Nguyen




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* Re: [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6
  2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
                   ` (6 preceding siblings ...)
  2008-02-08 22:23 ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
@ 2008-02-13 14:31 ` Jack Steiner
  7 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jack Steiner @ 2008-02-13 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: akpm, Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus,
	kvm-devel, Peter Zijlstra, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman

> GRU
> - Simple additional hardware TLB (possibly covering multiple instances of
>   Linux)
> - Needs TLB shootdown when the VM unmaps pages.
> - Determines page address via follow_page (from interrupt context) but can
>   fall back to get_user_pages().
> - No page reference possible since no page status is kept..

I applied the latest mmuops patch to a 2.6.24 kernel & updated the
GRU driver to use it. As far as I can tell, everything works ok.
Although more testing is needed, all current tests of driver functionality
are working on both a system simulator and a hardware simulator.

The driver itself is still a few weeks from being ready to post but I can
send code fragments of the portions related to mmuops or external TLB
management if anyone is interested.


--- jack

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13  3:56                                                     ` Patrick Geoffray
@ 2008-02-13 18:51                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 19:51                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> But this isn't how IB or iwarp work at all. What you describe is a
> significant change to the general RDMA operation and requires changes to
> both sides of the connection and the wire protocol.

Yes it may require a separate connection between both sides where a 
kind of VM notification protocol is established to tear these things down and 
set them up again. That is if there is nothing in the RDMA protocol that
allows a notification to the other side that the mapping is being down 
down.

>  - In RDMA (iwarp and IB versions) the hardware page tables exist to
>    linearize the local memory so the remote does not need to be aware
>    of non-linearities in the physical address space. The main
>    motivation for this is kernel bypass where the user space app wants
>    to instruct the remote side to DMA into memory using user space
>    addresses. Hardware provides the page tables to switch from
>    incoming user space virtual addresses to physical addresess.

s/switch/translate I guess. That is good and those page tables could be 
used for the notification scheme to enable reclaim. But they are optional 
and are maintaining the driver state. The linearization could be 
reconstructed from the kernel page tables on demand.

>    Many kernel RDMA drivers (SCSI, NFS) only use the HW page tables
>    for access control and enforcing the liftime of the mapping.

Well the mapping would have to be on demand to avoid the issues that we 
currently have with pinning. The user API could stay the same. If the 
driver tracks the mappings using the notifier then the VM can make sure 
that the right things happen on exit etc etc.

>    The page tables in the RDMA hardware exist primarily to support
>    this, and not for other reasons. The pinning of pages is one part
>    to support the HW page tables and one part to support the RDMA
>    lifetime rules, the liftime rules are what cause problems for
>    the VM.

So the driver software can tear down and establish page tables 
entries at will? I do not see the problem. The RDMA hardware is one thing, 
the way things are visible to the user another. If the driver can 
establish and remove mappings as needed via RDMA then the user can have 
the illusion of persistent RDMA memory. This is the same as virtual memory 
providing the illusion of a process having lots of memory all for itself.


>  - The wire protocol consists of packets that say 'Write XXX bytes to
>    offset YY in Region RRR'. Creating a region produces the RRR label
>    and currently pins the pages. So long as the RRR label is valid the
>    remote side can issue write packets at any time without any
>    further synchronization. There is no wire level events associated
>    with creating RRR. You can pass RRR to the other machine in any
>    fashion, even using carrier pigeons :)
>  - The RDMA layer is very general (ala TCP), useful protocols (like SCSI)
>    are built on top of it and they specify the lifetime rules and
>    protocol for exchanging RRR.

Well yes of course. What is proposed here is an additional notification 
mechanism (could even be via tcp/udp to simplify things) that would manage 
the mappings at a higher level. The writes would not occur if the mapping 
has not been established.
 
>    This is your step 'A will then send a message to B notifying..'.
>    It simply does not exist in the protocol specifications

Of course. You need to create an additional communication layer to get 
that.

> What it boils down to is that to implement true removal of pages in a
> general way the kernel and HCA must either drop packets or stall
> incoming packets, both are big performance problems - and I can't see
> many users wanting this. Enterprise style people using SCSI, NFS, etc
> already have short pin periods and HPC MPI users probably won't care
> about the VM issues enough to warrent the performance overhead.

True maybe you cannot do this by simply staying within the protocol bounds 
of RDMA that is based on page pinning if the RDMA protocol does not 
support a notification to the other side that the mapping is going away. 

If RDMA cannot do this then you would need additional ways of notifying 
the remote side that pages/mappings are invalidated.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
@ 2008-02-13 19:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 19:46                                                       ` Christian Bell
  2008-02-13 23:23                                                     ` Pete Wyckoff
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Bell
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Christian Bell wrote:

> You're arguing that a HW page table is not needed by describing a use
> case that is essentially what all RDMA solutions already do above the
> wire protocols (all solutions except Quadrics, of course).

The HW page table is not essential to the notification scheme. That the 
RDMA uses the page table for linearization is another issue. A chip could 
just have a TLB cache and lookup the entries using the OS page table f.e.

> > Lets say you have a two systems A and B. Each has their memory region MemA 
> > and MemB. Each side also has page tables for this region PtA and PtB.
> > If either side then accesses the page again then the reverse process 
> > happens. If B accesses the page then it wil first of all incur a page 
> > fault because the entry in PtB is missing. The fault will then cause a 
> > message to be send to A to establish the page again. A will create an 
> > entry in PtA and will then confirm to B that the page was established. At 
> > that point RDMA operations can occur again.
> 
> The notifier-reclaim cycle you describe is akin to the out-of-band
> pin-unpin control messages used by existing communication libraries.
> Also, I think what you are proposing can have problems at scale -- A
> must keep track of all of the (potentially many systems) of memA and
> cooperatively get an agreement from all these systems before reclaiming
> the page.

Right. We (SGI) have done something like this for a long time with XPmem 
and it scales ok.

> When messages are sufficiently large, the control messaging necessary
> to setup/teardown the regions is relatively small.  This is not
> always the case however -- in programming models that employ smaller
> messages, the one-sided nature of RDMA is the most attractive part of
> it.  

The messaging would only be needed if a process comes under memory 
pressure. As long as there is enough memory nothing like this will occur.

> Nothing any communication/runtime system can't already do today.  The
> point of RDMA demand paging is enabling the possibility of using RDMA
> without the implied synchronization -- the optimistic part.  Using
> the notifiers to duplicate existing memory region handling for RDMA
> hardware that doesn't have HW page tables is possible but undermines
> the more important consumer of your patches in my opinion.

The notifier schemet should integrate into existing memory region 
handling and not cause a duplication. If you already have library layers 
that do this then it should be possible to integrate it.

> One other area that has not been brought up yet (I think) is the
> applicability of notifiers in letting users know when pinned memory
> is reclaimed by the kernel.  This is useful when a lower-level
> library employs lazy deregistration strategies on memory regions that
> are subsequently released to the kernel via the application's use of
> munmap or sbrk.  Ohio Supercomputing Center has work in this area but
> a generalized approach in the kernel would certainly be welcome.

The driver gets the notifications about memory being reclaimed. The driver 
could then notify user code about the release as well.

Pinned memory current *cannot* be reclaimed by the kernel. The refcount is 
elevated. This means that the VM tries to remove the mappings and then 
sees that it was not able to remove all references. Then it gives up and 
tries again and again and again.... Thus the potential for livelock.


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 12:11                                           ` Christoph Raisch
@ 2008-02-13 19:02                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Raisch
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Andrew Morton, Andrea Arcangeli, avi,
	a.p.zijlstra, daniel.blueman, general, general-bounces,
	Robin Holt, izike, kvm-devel, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	Rik van Riel, steiner

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Christoph Raisch wrote:

> For ehca we currently can't modify a large MR when it has been allocated.
> EHCA Hardware expects the pages to be there (MRs must not have "holes").
> This is also true for the global MR covering all kernel space.
> Therefore we still need the memory to be "pinned" if ib_umem_get() is
> called.

It cannot be freed and then reallocated? What happens when a process 
exists?


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 19:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 19:46                                                       ` Christian Bell
  2008-02-13 20:32                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christian Bell @ 2008-02-13 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Right. We (SGI) have done something like this for a long time with XPmem 
> and it scales ok.

I'd dispute this based on experience developing PGAS language support
on the Altix but more importantly (and less subjectively), I think
that "scales ok" refers to a very specific case.  Sure, pages (and/or
regions) can be large on some systems and the number of systems may
not always be in the thousands but you're still claiming scalability
for a mechanism that essentially logs who accesses the regions.  Then
there's the fact that reclaim becomes a collective communication
operation over all region accessors.  Makes me nervous.

> > When messages are sufficiently large, the control messaging necessary
> > to setup/teardown the regions is relatively small.  This is not
> > always the case however -- in programming models that employ smaller
> > messages, the one-sided nature of RDMA is the most attractive part of
> > it.  
> 
> The messaging would only be needed if a process comes under memory 
> pressure. As long as there is enough memory nothing like this will occur.
> 
> > Nothing any communication/runtime system can't already do today.  The
> > point of RDMA demand paging is enabling the possibility of using RDMA
> > without the implied synchronization -- the optimistic part.  Using
> > the notifiers to duplicate existing memory region handling for RDMA
> > hardware that doesn't have HW page tables is possible but undermines
> > the more important consumer of your patches in my opinion.
> 

> The notifier schemet should integrate into existing memory region 
> handling and not cause a duplication. If you already have library layers 
> that do this then it should be possible to integrate it.

I appreciate that you're trying to make a general case for the
applicability of notifiers on all types of existing RDMA hardware and
wire protocols.  Also, I'm not disagreeing whether a HW page table
is required or not: clearly it's not required to make *some* use of
the notifier scheme.

However, short of providing user-level notifications for pinned pages
that are inadvertently released to the O/S, I don't believe that the
patchset provides any significant added value for the HPC community
that can't optimistically do RDMA demand paging.


    . . christian


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 18:51                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 19:51                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-13 20:36                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-13 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 10:51:58AM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > But this isn't how IB or iwarp work at all. What you describe is a
> > significant change to the general RDMA operation and requires changes to
> > both sides of the connection and the wire protocol.
> 
> Yes it may require a separate connection between both sides where a 
> kind of VM notification protocol is established to tear these things down and 
> set them up again. That is if there is nothing in the RDMA protocol that
> allows a notification to the other side that the mapping is being down 
> down.

Well, yes, you could build this thing you are describing on top of the
RDMA protocol and get some support from some of the hardware - but it
is a new set of protocols and they would need to be implemented in
several places. It is not transparent to userspace and it is not
compatible with existing implementations.

Unfortunately it really has little to do with the drivers - changes,
for instance, need to be made to support this in the user space MPI
libraries. The RDMA ops do not pass through the kernel, userspace
talks directly to the hardware which complicates building any sort of
abstraction.

That is where I think you run into trouble, if you ask the MPI people
to add code to their critical path to support swapping they probably
will not be too interested. At a minimum to support your idea you need
to check on every RDMA if the remote page is mapped... Plus the
overheads Christian was talking about in the OOB channel(s).

Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 19:46                                                       ` Christian Bell
@ 2008-02-13 20:32                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 22:44                                                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Bell
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Christian Bell wrote:

> not always be in the thousands but you're still claiming scalability
> for a mechanism that essentially logs who accesses the regions.  Then
> there's the fact that reclaim becomes a collective communication
> operation over all region accessors.  Makes me nervous.

Well reclaim is not a very fast process (and we usually try to avoid it 
as much as possible for our HPC). Essentially its only there to allow 
shifts of processing loads and to allow efficient caching of application 
data.

> However, short of providing user-level notifications for pinned pages
> that are inadvertently released to the O/S, I don't believe that the
> patchset provides any significant added value for the HPC community
> that can't optimistically do RDMA demand paging.

We currently also run XPmem with pinning. Its great as long as you just 
run one load on the system. No reclaim ever iccurs.

However, if you do things that require lots of allocations etc etc then 
the page pinning can easily lead to livelock if reclaim is finally 
triggerd and also strange OOM situations since the VM cannot free any 
pages. So the main issue that is addressed here is reliability of pinned 
page operations. Better VM integration avoids these issues because we can 
unpin on request to deal with memory shortages.



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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 19:51                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-13 20:36                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman,
	Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> Unfortunately it really has little to do with the drivers - changes,
> for instance, need to be made to support this in the user space MPI
> libraries. The RDMA ops do not pass through the kernel, userspace
> talks directly to the hardware which complicates building any sort of
> abstraction.

Ok so the notifiers have to be handed over to the user space library that 
has the function of the device driver here...

> That is where I think you run into trouble, if you ask the MPI people
> to add code to their critical path to support swapping they probably
> will not be too interested. At a minimum to support your idea you need
> to check on every RDMA if the remote page is mapped... Plus the
> overheads Christian was talking about in the OOB channel(s).

You only need to check if a handle has been receiving invalidates. If not 
then you can just go ahead as now. You can use the notifier to take down 
the whole region if any reclaim occur against it (probably best and 
simples to implement approach). Then you mark the handle so that the 
mapping is reestablished before the next operation.



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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 20:32                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 22:44                                                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
  2008-02-13 23:02                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Kanoj Sarcar @ 2008-02-13 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter, Christian Bell
  Cc: Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel


--- Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Christian Bell wrote:
> 
> > not always be in the thousands but you're still
> claiming scalability
> > for a mechanism that essentially logs who accesses
> the regions.  Then
> > there's the fact that reclaim becomes a collective
> communication
> > operation over all region accessors.  Makes me
> nervous.
> 
> Well reclaim is not a very fast process (and we
> usually try to avoid it 
> as much as possible for our HPC). Essentially its
> only there to allow 
> shifts of processing loads and to allow efficient
> caching of application 
> data.
> 
> > However, short of providing user-level
> notifications for pinned pages
> > that are inadvertently released to the O/S, I
> don't believe that the
> > patchset provides any significant added value for
> the HPC community
> > that can't optimistically do RDMA demand paging.
> 
> We currently also run XPmem with pinning. Its great
> as long as you just 
> run one load on the system. No reclaim ever iccurs.
> 
> However, if you do things that require lots of
> allocations etc etc then 
> the page pinning can easily lead to livelock if
> reclaim is finally 
> triggerd and also strange OOM situations since the
> VM cannot free any 
> pages. So the main issue that is addressed here is
> reliability of pinned 
> page operations. Better VM integration avoids these
> issues because we can 
> unpin on request to deal with memory shortages.
> 
> 

I have a question on the basic need for the mmu
notifier stuff wrt rdma hardware and pinning memory.

It seems that the need is to solve potential memory
shortage and overcommit issues by being able to
reclaim pages pinned by rdma driver/hardware. Is my
understanding correct?

If I do understand correctly, then why is rdma page
pinning any different than eg mlock pinning? I imagine
Oracle pins lots of memory (using mlock), how come
they do not run into vm overcommit issues?

Are we up against some kind of breaking c-o-w issue
here that is different between mlock and rdma pinning?

Asked another way, why should effort be spent on a
notifier scheme, and rather not on fixing any memory
accounting problems and unifying how pin pages are
accounted for that get pinned via mlock() or rdma
drivers?

Startup benefits are well understood with the notifier
scheme (ie, not all pages need to be faulted in at
memory region creation time), specially when most of
the memory region is not accessed at all. I would
imagine most of HPC does not work this way though.
Then again, as rdma hardware is applied
(increasingly?) towards apps with short lived
connections, the notifier scheme will help with
startup times.

Kanoj



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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 22:44                                                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
@ 2008-02-13 23:02                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-13 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kanoj Sarcar
  Cc: Christian Bell, Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kanoj Sarcar wrote:

> It seems that the need is to solve potential memory
> shortage and overcommit issues by being able to
> reclaim pages pinned by rdma driver/hardware. Is my
> understanding correct?

Correct.

> If I do understand correctly, then why is rdma page
> pinning any different than eg mlock pinning? I imagine
> Oracle pins lots of memory (using mlock), how come
> they do not run into vm overcommit issues?

Mlocked pages are not pinned. They are movable by f.e. page migration and 
will be potentially be moved by future memory defrag approaches. Currently 
we have the same issues with mlocked pages as with pinned pages. There is 
work in progress to put mlocked pages onto a different lru so that reclaim 
exempts these pages and more work on limiting the percentage of memory 
that can be mlocked.

> Are we up against some kind of breaking c-o-w issue
> here that is different between mlock and rdma pinning?

Not that I know.

> Asked another way, why should effort be spent on a
> notifier scheme, and rather not on fixing any memory
> accounting problems and unifying how pin pages are
> accounted for that get pinned via mlock() or rdma
> drivers?

There are efforts underway to account for and limit mlocked pages as 
described above. Page pinning the way it is done by Infiniband through
increasing the page refcount is treated by the VM as a temporary 
condition not as a permanent pin. The VM will continually try to reclaim 
these pages thinking that the temporary usage of the page must cease 
soon. This is why the use of large amounts of pinned pages can lead to 
livelock situations.

If we want to have pinning behavior then we could mark pinned pages 
specially so that the VM will not continually try to evict these pages. We 
could manage them similar to mlocked pages but just not allow page 
migration, memory unplug and defrag to occur on pinned memory. All of 
theses would have to fail. With the notifier scheme the device driver 
could be told to get rid of the pinned memory. This would make these 3 
techniques work despite having an RDMA memory section.

> Startup benefits are well understood with the notifier
> scheme (ie, not all pages need to be faulted in at
> memory region creation time), specially when most of
> the memory region is not accessed at all. I would
> imagine most of HPC does not work this way though.

No for optimal performance  you would want to prefault all pages like 
it is now. The notifier scheme would only become relevant in memory 
shortage situations.

> Then again, as rdma hardware is applied (increasingly?) towards apps 
> with short lived connections, the notifier scheme will help with startup 
> times.

The main use of the notifier scheme is for stability and reliability. The 
"pinned" pages become unpinnable on request by the VM. So the VM can work 
itself out of memory shortage situations in cooperation with the 
RDMA logic instead of simply failing.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
  2008-02-13 19:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 23:23                                                     ` Pete Wyckoff
  2008-02-14  0:01                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Pete Wyckoff @ 2008-02-13 23:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Christian Bell, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

christian.bell@qlogic.com wrote on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:09 -0800:
> One other area that has not been brought up yet (I think) is the
> applicability of notifiers in letting users know when pinned memory
> is reclaimed by the kernel.  This is useful when a lower-level
> library employs lazy deregistration strategies on memory regions that
> are subsequently released to the kernel via the application's use of
> munmap or sbrk.  Ohio Supercomputing Center has work in this area but
> a generalized approach in the kernel would certainly be welcome.

The whole need for memory registration is a giant pain.  There is no
motivating application need for it---it is simply a hack around
virtual memory and the lack of full VM support in current hardware.
There are real hardware issues that interact poorly with virtual
memory, as discussed previously in this thread.

The way a messaging cycle goes in IB is:

    register buf
    post send from buf
    wait for completion
    deregister buf

This tends to get hidden via userspace software libraries into
a single call:

    MPI_send(buf)

Now if you actually do the reg/dereg every time, things are very
slow.  So userspace library writers came up with the idea of caching
registrations:

    if buf is not registered:
	register buf
    post send from buf
    wait for completion

The second time that the app happens to do a send from the same
buffer, it proceeds much faster.  Spatial locality applies here, and
this caching is generally worth it.  Some libraries have schemes to
limit the size of the registration cache too.

But there are plenty of ways to hurt yourself with such a scheme.
The first being a huge pool of unused but registered memory, as the
library doesn't know the app patterns, and it doesn't know the VM
pressure level in the kernel.

There are plenty of subtle ways that this breaks too.  If the
registered buf is removed from the address space via munmap() or
sbrk() or other ways, the mapping and registration are gone, but the
library has no way of knowing that the app just did this.  Sure the
physical page is still there and pinned, but the app cannot get at
it.  Later if new address space arrives at the same virtual address
but a different physical page, the library will mistakenly think it
already has it registered properly, and data is transferred from
this old now-unmapped physical page.

The whole situation is rather ridiculuous, but we are quite stuck
with it for current generation IB and iWarp hardware.  If we can't
have the kernel interact with the device directly, we could at least
manage state in these multiple userspace registration caches.  The
VM could ask for certain (or any) pages to be released, and the
library would respond if they are indeed not in use by the device.
The app itself does not know about pinned regions, and the library
is aware of exactly which regions are potentially in use.

Since the great majority of userspace messaging over IB goes through
middleware like MPI or PGAS languages, and they all have the same
approach to registration caching, this approach could fix the
problem for a big segment of use cases.

More text on the registration caching problem is here:

    http://www.osc.edu/~pw/papers/wyckoff-memreg-ccgrid05.pdf

with an approach using vm_ops open and close operations in a kernel
module here:

    http://www.osc.edu/~pw/dreg/

There is a place for VM notifiers in RDMA messaging, but not in
talking to devices, at least not the current set.  If you can define
a reasonable userspace interface for VM notifiers, libraries can
manage registration caches more efficiently, letting the kernel
unmap pinned pages as it likes.

		-- Pete


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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 23:02                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
  2008-02-13 23:48                                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
                                                                                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Kanoj Sarcar @ 2008-02-13 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Christian Bell, Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel


--- Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kanoj Sarcar wrote:
> 
> > It seems that the need is to solve potential
> memory
> > shortage and overcommit issues by being able to
> > reclaim pages pinned by rdma driver/hardware. Is
> my
> > understanding correct?
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > If I do understand correctly, then why is rdma
> page
> > pinning any different than eg mlock pinning? I
> imagine
> > Oracle pins lots of memory (using mlock), how come
> > they do not run into vm overcommit issues?
> 
> Mlocked pages are not pinned. They are movable by
> f.e. page migration and 
> will be potentially be moved by future memory defrag
> approaches. Currently 
> we have the same issues with mlocked pages as with
> pinned pages. There is 
> work in progress to put mlocked pages onto a
> different lru so that reclaim 
> exempts these pages and more work on limiting the
> percentage of memory 
> that can be mlocked.
> 
> > Are we up against some kind of breaking c-o-w
> issue
> > here that is different between mlock and rdma
> pinning?
> 
> Not that I know.
> 
> > Asked another way, why should effort be spent on a
> > notifier scheme, and rather not on fixing any
> memory
> > accounting problems and unifying how pin pages are
> > accounted for that get pinned via mlock() or rdma
> > drivers?
> 
> There are efforts underway to account for and limit
> mlocked pages as 
> described above. Page pinning the way it is done by
> Infiniband through
> increasing the page refcount is treated by the VM as
> a temporary 
> condition not as a permanent pin. The VM will
> continually try to reclaim 
> these pages thinking that the temporary usage of the
> page must cease 
> soon. This is why the use of large amounts of pinned
> pages can lead to 
> livelock situations.

Oh ok, yes, I did see the discussion on this; sorry I
missed it. I do see what notifiers bring to the table
now (without endorsing it :-)).

An orthogonal question is this: is IB/rdma the only
"culprit" that elevates page refcounts? Are there no
other subsystems which do a similar thing?

The example I am thinking about is rawio (Oracle's
mlock'ed SHM regions are handed to rawio, isn't it?).
My understanding of how rawio works in Linux is quite
dated though ...

Kanoj

> 
> If we want to have pinning behavior then we could
> mark pinned pages 
> specially so that the VM will not continually try to
> evict these pages. We 
> could manage them similar to mlocked pages but just
> not allow page 
> migration, memory unplug and defrag to occur on
> pinned memory. All of 
> theses would have to fail. With the notifier scheme
> the device driver 
> could be told to get rid of the pinned memory. This
> would make these 3 
> techniques work despite having an RDMA memory
> section.
> 
> > Startup benefits are well understood with the
> notifier
> > scheme (ie, not all pages need to be faulted in at
> > memory region creation time), specially when most
> of
> > the memory region is not accessed at all. I would
> > imagine most of HPC does not work this way though.
> 
> No for optimal performance  you would want to
> prefault all pages like 
> it is now. The notifier scheme would only become
> relevant in memory 
> shortage situations.
> 
> > Then again, as rdma hardware is applied
> (increasingly?) towards apps 
> > with short lived connections, the notifier scheme
> will help with startup 
> > times.
> 
> The main use of the notifier scheme is for stability
> and reliability. The 
> "pinned" pages become unpinnable on request by the
> VM. So the VM can work 
> itself out of memory shortage situations in
> cooperation with the 
> RDMA logic instead of simply failing.
> 
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* Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
@ 2008-02-13 23:48                                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
  2008-02-14  0:56                                                                 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-14 19:35                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jesse Barnes @ 2008-02-13 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kanoj Sarcar
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Christian Bell, Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel,
	Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, steiner,
	linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general,
	Andrew Morton, kvm-devel, Dave Airlie

On Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:43 pm Kanoj Sarcar wrote:
> Oh ok, yes, I did see the discussion on this; sorry I
> missed it. I do see what notifiers bring to the table
> now (without endorsing it :-)).
>
> An orthogonal question is this: is IB/rdma the only
> "culprit" that elevates page refcounts? Are there no
> other subsystems which do a similar thing?
>
> The example I am thinking about is rawio (Oracle's
> mlock'ed SHM regions are handed to rawio, isn't it?).
> My understanding of how rawio works in Linux is quite
> dated though ...

We're doing something similar in the DRM these days...  We need big chunks of 
memory to be pinned so that the GPU can operate on them, but when the 
operation completes we can allow them to be swappable again.  I think with 
the current implementation, allocations are always pinned, but we'll 
definitely want to change that soon.

Dave?

Jesse

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 23:23                                                     ` Pete Wyckoff
@ 2008-02-14  0:01                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
  2008-02-27 22:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Jason Gunthorpe @ 2008-02-14  0:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pete Wyckoff
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 06:23:08PM -0500, Pete Wyckoff wrote:
> christian.bell@qlogic.com wrote on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:09 -0800:
> > One other area that has not been brought up yet (I think) is the
> > applicability of notifiers in letting users know when pinned memory
> > is reclaimed by the kernel.  This is useful when a lower-level
> > library employs lazy deregistration strategies on memory regions that
> > are subsequently released to the kernel via the application's use of
> > munmap or sbrk.  Ohio Supercomputing Center has work in this area but
> > a generalized approach in the kernel would certainly be welcome.
> 
> The whole need for memory registration is a giant pain.  There is no
> motivating application need for it---it is simply a hack around
> virtual memory and the lack of full VM support in current hardware.
> There are real hardware issues that interact poorly with virtual
> memory, as discussed previously in this thread.

Well, the registrations also exist to provide protection against
rouge/faulty remotes, but for the purposes of MPI that is probably not
important.

Here is a thought.. Some RDMA hardware can change the page tables on
the fly. What if the kernel had a mechanism to dynamically maintain a
full registration of the processes entire address space ('mlocked' but
able to be migrated)? MPI would never need to register a buffer, and
all the messy cases with munmap/sbrk/etc go away - the risk is that
other MPI nodes can randomly scribble all over the process :)

Christoph: It seemed to me you were first talking about
freeing/swapping/faulting RDMA'able pages - but would pure migration
as a special hardware supported case be useful like Catilan suggested?

Regards,
Jason

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
  2008-02-13 23:48                                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
@ 2008-02-14  0:56                                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-14 19:35                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Arcangeli @ 2008-02-14  0:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kanoj Sarcar
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Christian Bell, Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

Hi Kanoj,

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 03:43:17PM -0800, Kanoj Sarcar wrote:
> Oh ok, yes, I did see the discussion on this; sorry I
> missed it. I do see what notifiers bring to the table
> now (without endorsing it :-)).

I'm not really livelocks are really the big issue here.

I'm running N 1G VM on a 1G ram system, with N-1G swapped
out. Combining this with auto-ballooning, rss limiting, and ksm ram
sharing, provides really advanced and lowlevel virtualization VM
capabilities to the linux kernel while at the same time guaranteeing
no oom failures as long as the guest pages are lower than ram+swap
(just slower runtime if too many pages are unshared or if the balloons
are deflated etc..).

Swapping the virtual machine in the host may be more efficient than
having the guest swapping over a virtual swap paravirt storage for
example. As more management features are added admins will gain more
experience in handling those new features and they'll find what's best
for them. mmu notifiers and real reliable swapping are the enabler for
those more advanced VM features.

oom livelocks wouldn't happen anyway with KVM as long as the maximimal
number of guest physical is lower than RAM.

> An orthogonal question is this: is IB/rdma the only
> "culprit" that elevates page refcounts? Are there no
> other subsystems which do a similar thing?
> 
> The example I am thinking about is rawio (Oracle's
> mlock'ed SHM regions are handed to rawio, isn't it?).
> My understanding of how rawio works in Linux is quite
> dated though ...

rawio in flight I/O shall be limited. As long as each task can't pin
more than X ram, and the ram is released when the task is oom killed,
and the first get_user_pages/alloc_pages/slab_alloc that returns
-ENOMEM takes an oom fail path that returns failure to userland,
everything is ok.

Even with IB deadlock could only happen if IB would allow unlimited
memory to be pinned down by unprivileged users.

If IB is insecure and DoSable without mmu notifiers, then I'm not sure
how enabling swapping of the IB memory could be enough to fix the
DoS. Keep in mind that even tmpfs can't be safe allowing all ram+swap
to be allocated in a tmpfs file (despite the tmpfs file storage
includes swap and not only ram). Pinning the whole ram+swap with tmpfs
livelocks the same way of pinning the whole ram with ramfs. So if you
add mmu notifier support to IB, you only need to RDMA an area as large
as ram+swap to livelock again as before... no difference at all.

I don't think livelocks have anything to do with mmu notifiers (other
than to deferring the livelock to the "swap+ram" point of no return
instead of the current "ram" point of no return). Livelocks have to be
solved the usual way: handling alloc_pages/get_user_pages/slab
allocation failures with a fail path that returns to userland and
allows the ram to be released if the task was selected for
oom-killage.

The real benefit of the mmu notifiers for IB would be to allow the
rdma region to be larger than RAM without triggering the oom
killer (or without triggering a livelock if it's DoSable but then the
livelock would need fixing to be converted in a regular oom-killing by
some other mean not related to the mmu-notifier, it's really an
orthogonal problem).

So suppose you've a MPI simulation that requires a 10G array and
you've only 1G of ram, then you can rdma over 10G like if you had 10G
of ram. Things will preform ok only if there's some huge locality of
the computations. For virtualization it's orders of magnitude more
useful than for computer clusters but certain simulations really swaps
so I don't exclude certain RDMA apps will also need this (dunno about
IB).

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
  2008-02-13  0:57                                             ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-14 15:53                                               ` Robin Holt
  2008-02-14 19:39                                               ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Steve Wise @ 2008-02-14 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felix Marti
  Cc: Roland Dreier, Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel, steiner,
	Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

Felix Marti wrote:

> 
> That is correct, not a change we can make for T3. We could, in theory,
> deal with changing mappings though. The change would need to be
> synchronized though: the VM would need to tell us which mapping were
> about to change and the driver would then need to disable DMA to/from
> it, do the change and resume DMA.
> 

Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that 
are in the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver 
doesn't know who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So 
without that knowledge, all connections that _might_ rdma into the MR 
must be suspended.  If the MR was only setup for local access, then the 
driver could track the connections with references to the MR and only 
quiesce those connections.

Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application 
is using (assuming the application uses a single PD).


Steve.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
@ 2008-02-14 15:53                                               ` Robin Holt
  2008-02-14 16:23                                                 ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-14 19:39                                               ` Christoph Lameter
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Robin Holt @ 2008-02-14 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steve Wise
  Cc: Felix Marti, Roland Dreier, Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel,
	steiner, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel,
	avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general,
	Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 09:09:08AM -0600, Steve Wise wrote:
> Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that are 
> in the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver 
> doesn't know who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So without 

Is there a reason the driver can not track these.

> Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application is 
> using (assuming the application uses a single PD).

It seems like the need to not stop all would be a compelling enough reason
to modify the driver to track which processes have received the rkey/stag.

Thanks,
Robin

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 15:53                                               ` Robin Holt
@ 2008-02-14 16:23                                                 ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-14 17:48                                                   ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Steve Wise @ 2008-02-14 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robin Holt
  Cc: Felix Marti, Roland Dreier, Christoph Lameter, Rik van Riel,
	steiner, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel,
	avi, linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

Robin Holt wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 09:09:08AM -0600, Steve Wise wrote:
>> Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that are 
>> in the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver 
>> doesn't know who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So without 
> 
> Is there a reason the driver can not track these.
> 

Because advertising of a MR (ie telling the peer about your rkey/stag, 
offset and length) is application-specific and can be done out of band, 
or in band as simple SEND/RECV payload. Either way, the driver has no 
way of tracking this because the protocol used is application-specific.

>> Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application is 
>> using (assuming the application uses a single PD).
> 
> It seems like the need to not stop all would be a compelling enough reason
> to modify the driver to track which processes have received the rkey/stag.
> 

Yes, _if_ the driver could track this.

And _if_ the rdma API and paradigm was such that the kernel/driver could 
keep track, then remote revokations of MR tags could be supported.

Stevo

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 16:23                                                 ` Steve Wise
@ 2008-02-14 17:48                                                   ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-14 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steve Wise
  Cc: Robin Holt, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, linux-kernel, avi, kvm-devel,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, general, Andrew Morton,
	Christoph Lameter

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com> wrote:
> Robin Holt wrote:
>  > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 09:09:08AM -0600, Steve Wise wrote:
>  >> Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that are
>  >> in the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver
>  >> doesn't know who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So without
>  >
>  > Is there a reason the driver can not track these.
>  >
>
>  Because advertising of a MR (ie telling the peer about your rkey/stag,
>  offset and length) is application-specific and can be done out of band,
>  or in band as simple SEND/RECV payload. Either way, the driver has no
>  way of tracking this because the protocol used is application-specific.
>
>

I fully agree. If there is one important thing about RDMA and other fastpath
solutions that must be understood is that the driver does not see the
payload. This is a fundamental strength, but it means that you have
to identify what if any intercept points there are in advance.

You also raise a good point on the scope of any suspend/resume API.
Device reporting of this capability would not be a simple boolean, but
more of a suspend/resume scope. A minimal scope would be any
connection that actually attempts to use the suspended MR. Slightly
wider would be any connection *allowed* to use the MR, which could
expand all the way to any connection under the same PD. Convievably
I could imagine an RDMA device reporting that it could support suspend/
resume, but only at the scope of the entire device.

But even at such a wide scope, suspend/resume could be useful to
a Memory Manager. The pages could be fully migrated to the new
location, and the only work that was still required during the critical
suspend/resume region was to actually shift to the new map. That
might be short enough that not accepting *any* incoming RDMA
packet would be acceptable.

And if the goal is to replace a memory card the alternative might
be migrating the applications to other physical servers, which would
mean a much longer period of not accepting incoming RDMA packets.

But the broader question is what the goal is here. Allowing memory to
be shuffled is valuable, and perhaps even ultimately a requirement for
high availability systems. RDMA and other direct-access APIs should
be evolving their interfaces to accommodate these needs.

Oversubscribing memory is a totally different matter. If an application
is working with memory that is oversubscribed by a factor of 2 or more
can it really benefit from zero-copy direct placement? At first glance I
can't see what RDMA could be bringing of value when the overhead of
swapping is going to be that large.

If it really does make sense, then explicitly registering the portion of
memory that should be enabled to receive incoming traffic while the
application is swapped out actually makes sense.

Current Memory Registration methods force applications to either
register too much or too often. They register too much when the cost
of registration is high, and the application responds by registering its
entire buffer pool permanently. This is a problem when it overstates
the amount of memory that the application needs to have resident,
or when the device imposes limits on the size of memory maps that
it can know. The alternative is to register too often, that is on a
per-operation basis.

To me that suggests the solutions lie in making it more reasonable
to register more memory, or in making it practical to register memory
on-the-fly on a per-operation basis with low enough overhead that
applications don't feel the need to build elaborate registration caching
schemes.

As has been pointed out a few times in this thread, the RDMA and
transport layers simply do not have enough information to know which
portion of registered memory *really* had to be registered. So any
back-pressure scheme where the Memory Manager is asking for
pinned memory to be "given back" would have to go all the way to
the application. Only the application knows what it is "really" using.

I also suspect that most applications that are interested in using
RDMA would rather be told they can allocate 200M indefinitely
(and with real memory backing it) than be given 1GB of virtual
memory that is backed by 200-300M of physical memory,
especially if it meant dealing with memory pressure upcalls.

>  >> Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application is
>  >> using (assuming the application uses a single PD).
>  >
>  > It seems like the need to not stop all would be a compelling enough reason
>  > to modify the driver to track which processes have received the rkey/stag.
>  >
>
>  Yes, _if_ the driver could track this.
>
>  And _if_ the rdma API and paradigm was such that the kernel/driver could
>  keep track, then remote revokations of MR tags could be supported.
>
>  Stevo
>
>
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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
  2008-02-13 23:48                                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
  2008-02-14  0:56                                                                 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
@ 2008-02-14 19:35                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-14 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kanoj Sarcar
  Cc: Christian Bell, Jason Gunthorpe, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kanoj Sarcar wrote:

> Oh ok, yes, I did see the discussion on this; sorry I
> missed it. I do see what notifiers bring to the table
> now (without endorsing it :-)).
> 
> An orthogonal question is this: is IB/rdma the only
> "culprit" that elevates page refcounts? Are there no
> other subsystems which do a similar thing?

Yes there are actually two projects by SGI that also ran into the same 
issue that motivated the work on this. One is XPmem which allows 
sharing of process memory between different Linux instances and then 
there is the GRU which is a kind of DMA engine. Then there is KVM and 
probably multiple other drivers.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
  2008-02-14 15:53                                               ` Robin Holt
@ 2008-02-14 19:39                                               ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-14 20:17                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-14 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steve Wise
  Cc: Felix Marti, Roland Dreier, Rik van Riel, steiner,
	Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra, izike, linux-kernel, avi,
	linux-mm, daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton,
	kvm-devel

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Steve Wise wrote:

> Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that are in
> the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver doesn't know
> who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So without that knowledge,
> all connections that _might_ rdma into the MR must be suspended.  If the MR
> was only setup for local access, then the driver could track the connections
> with references to the MR and only quiesce those connections.
> 
> Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application is
> using (assuming the application uses a single PD).

Right but if the system starts reclaiming pages of the application then we 
have a memory shortage. So the user should address that by not running 
other apps concurrently. The stopping of all connections is still better 
than the VM getting into major trouble. And the stopping of connections in 
order to move the process memory into a more advantageous memory location 
(f.e. using page migration) or stopping of connections in order to be able 
to move the process memory out of a range of failing memory is certainly 
good.



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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 19:39                                               ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-14 20:17                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-14 20:20                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-14 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Steve Wise, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Steve Wise wrote:
>
>  > Note that for T3, this involves suspending _all_ rdma connections that are in
>  > the same PD as the MR being remapped.  This is because the driver doesn't know
>  > who the application advertised the rkey/stag to.  So without that knowledge,
>  > all connections that _might_ rdma into the MR must be suspended.  If the MR
>  > was only setup for local access, then the driver could track the connections
>  > with references to the MR and only quiesce those connections.
>  >
>  > Point being, it will stop probably all connections that an application is
>  > using (assuming the application uses a single PD).
>
>  Right but if the system starts reclaiming pages of the application then we
>  have a memory shortage. So the user should address that by not running
>  other apps concurrently. The stopping of all connections is still better
>  than the VM getting into major trouble. And the stopping of connections in
>  order to move the process memory into a more advantageous memory location
>  (f.e. using page migration) or stopping of connections in order to be able
>  to move the process memory out of a range of failing memory is certainly
>  good.
>

In that spirit, there are two important aspects of a suspend/resume API that
would enable the memory manager to solve problems most effectively:

1) The device should be allowed flexibility to extend the scope of the suspend
    to what it is capable of implementing -- rather than being forced
to say that
    it does not support suspend/;resume merely because it does so at a different
    granularity.

2) It is very important that users of this API understand that it is
only the RDMA
   device handling of incoming packets and WQEs that is being suspended. The
   peers are not suspended by this API, or even told that this end is
suspending.
   Unless the suspend is kept *extremely* short there will be adverse impacts.
   And "short" here is measured in network terms, not human terms. The blink
   of any eye is *way* too long. Any external dependencies between "suspend"
   and "resume" will probably mean that things will not work, especially if the
   external entities involve a disk drive.

So suspend/resume to re-arrange pages is one thing. Suspend/resume to cover
swapping out pages so they can be reallocated is an exercise in futility. By the
time you resume the connections will be broken or at the minimum damaged.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 20:17                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-14 20:20                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-14 22:43                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-14 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler
  Cc: Steve Wise, Rik van Riel, steiner, Andrea Arcangeli,
	a.p.zijlstra, izike, Roland Dreier, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> So suspend/resume to re-arrange pages is one thing. Suspend/resume to cover
> swapping out pages so they can be reallocated is an exercise in futility. By the
> time you resume the connections will be broken or at the minimum damaged.

The connections would then have to be torn down before swap out and would 
have to be reestablished after the pages have been brought back from swap.
 

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 20:20                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-14 22:43                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-14 22:48                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-14 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
>
>  > So suspend/resume to re-arrange pages is one thing. Suspend/resume to cover
>  > swapping out pages so they can be reallocated is an exercise in futility. By the
>  > time you resume the connections will be broken or at the minimum damaged.
>
>  The connections would then have to be torn down before swap out and would
>  have to be reestablished after the pages have been brought back from swap.
>
>
I have no problem with that, as long as the application layer is responsible for
tearing down and re-establishing the connections. The RDMA/transport layers
are incapable of tearing down and re-establishing a connection transparently
because connections need to be approved above the RDMA layer.

Further the teardown will have visible artificats that the application
must deal with,
such as flushed Recv WQEs.

This is still, the RDMA device will do X and will not worry about Y. The reasons
for not worrying about Y could be that the suspend will be very short, or that
other mechanisms have taken care  of all the Ys independently.

For example, an HPC cluster that suspended the *entire* cluster would not
have to worry about dropped packets.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 22:43                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-14 22:48                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-15  1:26                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-14 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> I have no problem with that, as long as the application layer is responsible for
> tearing down and re-establishing the connections. The RDMA/transport layers
> are incapable of tearing down and re-establishing a connection transparently
> because connections need to be approved above the RDMA layer.

I am not that familiar with the RDMA layers but it seems that RDMA has 
a library that does device driver like things right? So the logic would 
best fit in there I guess.

If you combine mlock with the mmu notifier then you can actually 
guarantee that a certain memory range will not be swapped out. The 
notifier will then only be called if the memory range will need to be 
moved for page migration, memory unplug etc etc. There may be a limit on 
the percentage of memory that you can mlock in the future. This may be 
done to guarantee that the VM still has memory to work with.



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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14 22:48                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15  1:26                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-15  2:37                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-15  1:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Lameter [mailto:clameter@sgi.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: Caitlin Bestler
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; avi@qumranet.com;
linux-mm@kvack.org;
> general@lists.openfabrics.org; kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
> 
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
> 
> > I have no problem with that, as long as the application layer is
> responsible for
> > tearing down and re-establishing the connections. The RDMA/transport
> layers
> > are incapable of tearing down and re-establishing a connection
> transparently
> > because connections need to be approved above the RDMA layer.
> 
> I am not that familiar with the RDMA layers but it seems that RDMA has
> a library that does device driver like things right? So the logic
would
> best fit in there I guess.
> 
> If you combine mlock with the mmu notifier then you can actually
> guarantee that a certain memory range will not be swapped out. The
> notifier will then only be called if the memory range will need to be
> moved for page migration, memory unplug etc etc. There may be a limit
> on
> the percentage of memory that you can mlock in the future. This may be
> done to guarantee that the VM still has memory to work with.
> 

The problem is that with existing APIs, or even slightly modified APIs,
the RDMA layer will not be able to figure out which connections need to
be "interrupted" in order to deal with what memory suspensions.

Further, because any request for a new connection will be handled by
the remote *application layer* peer there is no way for the two RDMA
layers to agree to covertly tear down and re-establish the connection.
Nor really should there be, connections should be approved by OS layer
networking controls. RDMA should not be able to tell the network stack,
"trust me, you don't have to check if this connection is legitimate".

Another example, if you terminate a connection pending receive
operations
complete *to the user* in a Completion Queue. Those completions are NOT
seen by the RDMA layer, and especially not by the Connection Manager. It
has absolutely no way to repost them transparently to the same
connection
when the connection is re-established.

Even worse, some portions of a receive operation might have been placed
in the receive buffer and acknowledged to the remote peer. But there is
no mechanism to report this fact in the CQE. A receive operation that is
aborted is aborted. There is no concept of partial success. Therefore
you
cannot covertly terminate a connection mid-operation and covertly
re-establish
it later. Data will be lost, it will no longer be a reliable connection,
and
therefore it needs to be torn down anyway.

The RDMA layers also cannot tell the other side not to transmit. Flow
control is the responsibility of the application layer, not RDMA.

What the RDMA layer could do is this: once you tell it to suspend a
given
memory region it can either tell you that it doesn't know how to do that
or it can instruct the device to stop processing a set of connections
that will ceases all access for a given Memory Region. When you resume
it can guarantee that it is no longer using any cached older mappings
for the memory region (assuming it was capable of doing the suspend),
and then because RDMA connections are reliable everything will recover
unless the connection timed-out. The chance that it will time-out is
probably low, but the chance that the underlying connection will be in
slow start or equivalent is much higher.

So any solution that requires the upper layers to suspend operations
for a brief bit will require explicit interaction with those layers.
No RDMA layer can perform the sleight of hand tricks that you seem
to want it to perform.

AT the RDMA layer the best you could get is very brief suspensions
for the purpose of *re-arranging* memory, not of reducing the amount
of registered memory. If you need to reduce the amount of registered
memory then you have to talk to the application. Discussions on making
it easier for the application to trim a memory region dynamically might
be in order, but you will not work around the fact that the application
layer needs to determine what pages are registered. And they would
really
prefer just to be told how much memory they can have up front, they can
figure out how to deal with that amount of memory on their own.


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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15  1:26                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-15  2:37                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-15 18:09                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-15  2:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> So any solution that requires the upper layers to suspend operations
> for a brief bit will require explicit interaction with those layers.
> No RDMA layer can perform the sleight of hand tricks that you seem
> to want it to perform.

Looks like it has to be up there right.
 
> AT the RDMA layer the best you could get is very brief suspensions for 
> the purpose of *re-arranging* memory, not of reducing the amount of 
> registered memory. If you need to reduce the amount of registered memory 
> then you have to talk to the application. Discussions on making it 
> easier for the application to trim a memory region dynamically might be 
> in order, but you will not work around the fact that the application 
> layer needs to determine what pages are registered. And they would 
> really prefer just to be told how much memory they can have up front, 
> they can figure out how to deal with that amount of memory on their own.

What does it mean that the "application layer has to be determine what 
pages are registered"? The application does not know which of its pages 
are currently in memory. It can only force these pages to stay in memory 
if their are mlocked.
 
 

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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15  2:37                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15 18:09                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-15 18:45                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-15 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

Christoph Lameter asked:
> 
> What does it mean that the "application layer has to be determine what
> pages are registered"? The application does not know which of its
pages
> are currently in memory. It can only force these pages to stay in
> memory if their are mlocked.
> 

An application that advertises an RDMA accessible buffer
to a remote peer *does* have to know that its pages *are*
currently in memory.

The application does *not* need for the virtual-to-physical
mapping of those pages to be frozen for the lifespan of the
Memory Region. But it is issuing an invitation to its peer
to perform direct writes to the advertised buffer. When the
peer decides to exercise that invitation the pages have to
be there.

An analogy: when you write a check for $100 you do not have
to identify the serial numbers of ten $10 bills, but you are
expected to have the funds in your account.

Issuing a buffer advertisement for memory you do not have
is the network equivalent of writing a check that you do
not have funds for.

Now, just as your bank may offer overdraft protection, an
RDMA device could merely report a page fault rather than
tearing down the connection itself. But that does not grant
permission for applications to advertise buffer space that
they do not have committed, it  merely helps recovery from
a programming fault.

A suspend/resume interface between the Virtual Memory Manager
and the RDMA layer allows pages to be re-arranged at the 
convenience of the Virtual Memory Manager without breaking
the application layer peer-to-peer contract. The current
interfaces that pin exact pages are really the equivalent
of having to tell the bank that when Joe cashes this $100
check that you should give him *these* ten $10 bills. It
works, but it adds too much overhead and is very inflexible.
So there are a lot of good reasons to evolve this interface
to better deal with these issues. Other areas of possible
evolution include allowing growing or trimming of Memory
Regions without invalidating their advertised handles.

But the more fundamental issue is recognizing that applications
that use direct interfaces need to know that buffers that they
enable truly have committed resources. They need a way to
ask for twenty *real* pages, not twenty pages of address
space. And they need to do it in a way that allows memory
to be rearranged or even migrated with them to a new host.


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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 18:09                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-15 18:45                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-15 18:53                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-15 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> > What does it mean that the "application layer has to be determine what
> > pages are registered"? The application does not know which of its
> pages
> > are currently in memory. It can only force these pages to stay in
> > memory if their are mlocked.
> > 
> 
> An application that advertises an RDMA accessible buffer
> to a remote peer *does* have to know that its pages *are*
> currently in memory.

Ok that would mean it needs to inform the VM of that issue by mlocking 
these pages.
 
> But the more fundamental issue is recognizing that applications
> that use direct interfaces need to know that buffers that they
> enable truly have committed resources. They need a way to
> ask for twenty *real* pages, not twenty pages of address
> space. And they need to do it in a way that allows memory
> to be rearranged or even migrated with them to a new host.

mlock will force the pages to stay in memory without requiring the OS to 
keep them where they are.


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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 18:45                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15 18:53                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-15 20:02                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-15 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Lameter [mailto:clameter@sgi.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:46 AM
> To: Caitlin Bestler
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; avi@qumranet.com;
linux-mm@kvack.org;
> general@lists.openfabrics.org; kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
> 
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
> 
> > > What does it mean that the "application layer has to be determine
> what
> > > pages are registered"? The application does not know which of its
> > pages
> > > are currently in memory. It can only force these pages to stay in
> > > memory if their are mlocked.
> > >
> >
> > An application that advertises an RDMA accessible buffer
> > to a remote peer *does* have to know that its pages *are*
> > currently in memory.
> 
> Ok that would mean it needs to inform the VM of that issue by mlocking
> these pages.
> 
> > But the more fundamental issue is recognizing that applications
> > that use direct interfaces need to know that buffers that they
> > enable truly have committed resources. They need a way to
> > ask for twenty *real* pages, not twenty pages of address
> > space. And they need to do it in a way that allows memory
> > to be rearranged or even migrated with them to a new host.
> 
> mlock will force the pages to stay in memory without requiring the OS
> to keep them where they are.

So that would mean that mlock is used by the application before it 
registers memory for direct access, and then it is up to the RDMA
layer and the OS to negotiate actual pinning of the addresses for
whatever duration is required.

There is no *protocol* barrier to replacing pages within a Memory
Region as long as it is done in a way that keeps the content of
those page coherent. But existing devices have their own ideas
on how this is done and existing devices are notoriously poor at
learning new tricks.

Merely mlocking pages deals with the end-to-end RDMA semantics.
What still needs to be addressed is how a fastpath interface
would dynamically pin and unpin. Yielding pins for short-term
suspensions (and flushing cached translations) deals with the
rest. Understanding the range of support that existing devices
could provide with software updates would be the next step if
you wanted to pursue this.

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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 18:53                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-15 20:02                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-15 20:14                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-15 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> So that would mean that mlock is used by the application before it 
> registers memory for direct access, and then it is up to the RDMA
> layer and the OS to negotiate actual pinning of the addresses for
> whatever duration is required.

Right.
 
> There is no *protocol* barrier to replacing pages within a Memory
> Region as long as it is done in a way that keeps the content of
> those page coherent. But existing devices have their own ideas
> on how this is done and existing devices are notoriously poor at
> learning new tricks.

Hmmmm.. Okay. But that is mainly a device driver maintenance issue.

> Merely mlocking pages deals with the end-to-end RDMA semantics.
> What still needs to be addressed is how a fastpath interface
> would dynamically pin and unpin. Yielding pins for short-term
> suspensions (and flushing cached translations) deals with the
> rest. Understanding the range of support that existing devices
> could provide with software updates would be the next step if
> you wanted to pursue this.

That is addressed on the VM level by the mmu_notifier which started this 
whole thread. The RDMA layers need to subscribe to this notifier and then 
do whatever the hardware requires to unpin and pin memory. I can only go 
as far as dealing with the VM layer. If you have any issues there I'd be 
glad to help.

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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 20:02                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15 20:14                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
  2008-02-15 22:50                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-15 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

Christoph Lameter wrote
> 
> > Merely mlocking pages deals with the end-to-end RDMA semantics.
> > What still needs to be addressed is how a fastpath interface
> > would dynamically pin and unpin. Yielding pins for short-term
> > suspensions (and flushing cached translations) deals with the
> > rest. Understanding the range of support that existing devices
> > could provide with software updates would be the next step if
> > you wanted to pursue this.
> 
> That is addressed on the VM level by the mmu_notifier which started
> this whole thread. The RDMA layers need to subscribe to this notifier
> and then do whatever the hardware requires to unpin and pin memory.
> I can only go as far as dealing with the VM layer. If you have any
> issues there I'd be glad to help.

There isn't much point in the RDMA layer subscribing to mmu
notifications
if the specific RDMA device will not be able to react appropriately when
the notification occurs. I don't see how you get around needing to know
which devices are capable of supporting page migration (via
suspend/resume
or other mechanisms) and which can only respond to a page migration by
aborting connections.


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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 20:14                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
@ 2008-02-15 22:50                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-15 23:50                                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-15 22:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Caitlin Bestler; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:

> There isn't much point in the RDMA layer subscribing to mmu
> notifications
> if the specific RDMA device will not be able to react appropriately when
> the notification occurs. I don't see how you get around needing to know
> which devices are capable of supporting page migration (via
> suspend/resume
> or other mechanisms) and which can only respond to a page migration by
> aborting connections.

You either register callbacks if the device can react properly or you 
dont. If you dont then the device will continue to have the problem with 
page pinning etc until someone comes around and implements the 
mmu callbacks to fix these issues.

I have doubts regarding the claim that some devices just cannot be made to 
suspend and resume appropriately. They obviously can be shutdown and so 
its a matter of sequencing the things the right way. I.e. stop the app 
wait for a quiet period then release resources etc.




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* RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-15 22:50                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15 23:50                                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Caitlin Bestler @ 2008-02-15 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter; +Cc: linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm, general, kvm-devel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Lameter [mailto:clameter@sgi.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:50 PM
> To: Caitlin Bestler
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; avi@qumranet.com;
linux-mm@kvack.org;
> general@lists.openfabrics.org; kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
> 
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
> 
> > There isn't much point in the RDMA layer subscribing to mmu
> > notifications
> > if the specific RDMA device will not be able to react appropriately
> when
> > the notification occurs. I don't see how you get around needing to
> know
> > which devices are capable of supporting page migration (via
> > suspend/resume
> > or other mechanisms) and which can only respond to a page migration
> by
> > aborting connections.
> 
> You either register callbacks if the device can react properly or you
> dont. If you dont then the device will continue to have the problem
> with
> page pinning etc until someone comes around and implements the
> mmu callbacks to fix these issues.
> 
> I have doubts regarding the claim that some devices just cannot be
made
> to
> suspend and resume appropriately. They obviously can be shutdown and
so
> its a matter of sequencing the things the right way. I.e. stop the app
> wait for a quiet period then release resources etc.
> 
> 

That is true. What some devices will be unable to do is suspend
and resume in a manner that is transparent to the application.
However, for the duration required to re-arrange pages it is 
definitely feasible to do so transparently to the application.

Presumably the Virtual Memory Manager would be more willing to
take an action that is transparent to the user than one that is
disruptive, although obviously as the owner of the physical memory
it has the right to do either.

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* Re: [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions
  2008-02-14  0:01                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
@ 2008-02-27 22:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-27 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Gunthorpe
  Cc: Pete Wyckoff, Rik van Riel, Andrea Arcangeli, a.p.zijlstra,
	izike, Roland Dreier, steiner, linux-kernel, avi, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman, Robin Holt, general, Andrew Morton, kvm-devel

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> Christoph: It seemed to me you were first talking about
> freeing/swapping/faulting RDMA'able pages - but would pure migration
> as a special hardware supported case be useful like Catilan suggested?

That is a special case of the proposed solution. You could mlock the 
regions of interest. Those can then only be migrated but not swapped out.

However, I think we need some limit on the number of pages one can mlock. 
Otherwise the VM can get into a situation where reclaim is not possible 
because the majority of memory is either mlocked or pinned by I/O etc.


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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-19  8:46       ` Nick Piggin
@ 2008-02-19 13:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Arcangeli @ 2008-02-19 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nick Piggin
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Andrew Morton, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity,
	Izik Eidus, kvm-devel, Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise,
	Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:46:10PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Sunday 17 February 2008 06:22, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > > >  		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
> > > >  		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
> > > > +		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
> > >
> > > I just don't see how ths can be done if the callee has another thread in
> > > the middle of establishing IO against this region of memory.
> > > ->invalidate_page() _has_ to be able to block.  Confused.
> >
> > The page lock is held and that holds off I/O?
> 
> I think the actual answer is that "it doesn't matter".

Agreed. The PG_lock itself taken when invalidate_page is called, is
used to serialized the VM against the VM, not the VM against I/O.

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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-16 19:54       ` Avi Kivity
@ 2008-02-19  8:46       ` Nick Piggin
  2008-02-19 13:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Nick Piggin @ 2008-02-19  8:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrew Morton, Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity,
	Izik Eidus, kvm-devel, Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise,
	Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman

On Sunday 17 February 2008 06:22, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:

> > >  		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
> > >  		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
> > > +		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
> >
> > I just don't see how ths can be done if the callee has another thread in
> > the middle of establishing IO against this region of memory.
> > ->invalidate_page() _has_ to be able to block.  Confused.
>
> The page lock is held and that holds off I/O?

I think the actual answer is that "it doesn't matter".

ptes are not exactly the entity via which IO gets established, so
all we really care about here is that after the callback finishes,
we will not get any more reads or writes to the page via the
external mapping.

As far as holding off local IO goes, that is the job of the core
VM. (And no, page lock does not necessarily hold it off FYI -- it
can be writeback IO or even IO directly via buffers).

Holding off IO via the external references I guess is a job for
the notifier driver.


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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-18  1:51     ` Nick Piggin
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Nick Piggin @ 2008-02-18  1:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity,
	Izik Eidus, kvm-devel, Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise,
	Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm,
	daniel.blueman

On Saturday 16 February 2008 14:37, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:49:02 -0800 Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> 
wrote:
> > Two callbacks to remove individual pages as done in rmap code
> >
> > 	invalidate_page()
> >
> > Called from the inner loop of rmap walks to invalidate pages.
> >
> > 	age_page()
> >
> > Called for the determination of the page referenced status.
> >
> > If we do not care about page referenced status then an age_page callback
> > may be be omitted. PageLock and pte lock are held when either of the
> > functions is called.
>
> The age_page mystery shallows.

BTW. can this callback be called mmu_notifier_clear_flush_young? To
match the core VM.


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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-16 19:54       ` Avi Kivity
  2008-02-19  8:46       ` Nick Piggin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Avi Kivity @ 2008-02-16 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrew Morton, Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Izik Eidus,
	kvm-devel, Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise, Roland Dreier,
	Kanoj Sarcar, steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
>   
>>> @@ -287,7 +288,8 @@ static int page_referenced_one(struct pa
>>>  	if (vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) {
>>>  		referenced++;
>>>  		*mapcount = 1;	/* break early from loop */
>>> -	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
>>> +	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
>>> +		   mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
>>>  		referenced++;
>>>       
>> The "|" is obviously deliberate.  But no explanation is provided telling us
>> why we still call the callback if ptep_clear_flush_young() said the page
>> was recently referenced.  People who read your code will want to understand
>> this.
>>     
>
> Andrea?
>
>   

I'm not Andrea, but the way I read it, ptep_clear_flush_young() and 
->age_page() each have two effects: check whether the page has been 
referenced and clear the referenced bit.  || would retain the semantics 
of the check but lose the clearing.  | does the right thing.

-- 
Any sufficiently difficult bug is indistinguishable from a feature.


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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
@ 2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-16 19:54       ` Avi Kivity
  2008-02-19  8:46       ` Nick Piggin
  2008-02-18  1:51     ` Nick Piggin
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-16 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise, Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:

> > @@ -287,7 +288,8 @@ static int page_referenced_one(struct pa
> >  	if (vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) {
> >  		referenced++;
> >  		*mapcount = 1;	/* break early from loop */
> > -	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
> > +	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
> > +		   mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
> >  		referenced++;
> 
> The "|" is obviously deliberate.  But no explanation is provided telling us
> why we still call the callback if ptep_clear_flush_young() said the page
> was recently referenced.  People who read your code will want to understand
> this.

Andrea?

> >  		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
> >  		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
> > +		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
> 
> I just don't see how ths can be done if the callee has another thread in
> the middle of establishing IO against this region of memory. 
> ->invalidate_page() _has_ to be able to block.  Confused.

The page lock is held and that holds off I/O?


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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
@ 2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
  2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-18  1:51     ` Nick Piggin
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Arcangeli @ 2008-02-16 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Morton
  Cc: Christoph Lameter, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise, Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 07:37:36PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> The "|" is obviously deliberate.  But no explanation is provided telling us
> why we still call the callback if ptep_clear_flush_young() said the page
> was recently referenced.  People who read your code will want to understand
> this.

This is to clear the young bit in every pte and spte to such physical
page before backing off because any young bit was on. So if any young
bit will be on in the next scan, we're guaranteed the page has been
touched recently and not ages before (otherwise it would take a worst
case N rounds of the lru before the page can be freed, where N is the
number of pte or sptes pointing to the page).

> I just don't see how ths can be done if the callee has another thread in
> the middle of establishing IO against this region of memory. 
> ->invalidate_page() _has_ to be able to block.  Confused.

invalidate_page marking the spte invalid and flushing the asid/tlb
doesn't need to block the same way ptep_clear_flush doesn't need to
block for the main linux pte. Infact before invalidate_page and
ptep_clear_flush can touch anything at all, they've to take their own
spinlocks (mmu_lock for the former, and PT lock for the latter).

The only sleeping trouble is for networked driven message passing,
where they want to schedule while they wait the message to arrive or
it'd hang the whole cpu to spin for so long.

sptes are cpu-clocked entities like ptes so scheduling there is by far
not necessary because there's zero delay in invalidating them and
flushing their tlbs. GRU is similar. Because we boost the reference
count of the pages for every spte mapping, only implementing
invalidate_range_end is enough, but I need to figure out the
get_user_pages->rmap_add window too and because get_user_pages can
schedule, and if I want to add a critical section around it to avoid
calling get_user_pages twice during the kvm page fault, a mutex would
be the only way (it sure can't be a spinlock). But a mutex can't be
taken by invalidate_page to stop it. So that leaves me with the idea
of adding a get_user_pages variant that returns the page locked. So
instead of calling get_user_pages a second time after rmap_add
returns, I will only need to call unlock_page which should be faster
than a follow_page. And setting the PG_lock before dropping the PT
lock in follow_page, should be fast enough too.

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* Re: [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
  2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 89+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2008-02-16  3:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christoph Lameter
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise, Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:49:02 -0800 Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> Two callbacks to remove individual pages as done in rmap code
> 
> 	invalidate_page()
> 
> Called from the inner loop of rmap walks to invalidate pages.
> 
> 	age_page()
> 
> Called for the determination of the page referenced status.
> 
> If we do not care about page referenced status then an age_page callback
> may be be omitted. PageLock and pte lock are held when either of the
> functions is called.

The age_page mystery shallows.

It would be useful to have some rationale somewhere in the patchset for the
existence of this callback.

>  #include <asm/tlbflush.h>
>  
> @@ -287,7 +288,8 @@ static int page_referenced_one(struct pa
>  	if (vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) {
>  		referenced++;
>  		*mapcount = 1;	/* break early from loop */
> -	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
> +	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
> +		   mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
>  		referenced++;

The "|" is obviously deliberate.  But no explanation is provided telling us
why we still call the callback if ptep_clear_flush_young() said the page
was recently referenced.  People who read your code will want to understand
this.

>  	/* Pretend the page is referenced if the task has the
> @@ -455,6 +457,7 @@ static int page_mkclean_one(struct page 
>  
>  		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
>  		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
> +		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);

I just don't see how ths can be done if the callee has another thread in
the middle of establishing IO against this region of memory. 
->invalidate_page() _has_ to be able to block.  Confused.



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 89+ messages in thread

* [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks
  2008-02-15  6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
@ 2008-02-15  6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
  2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 89+ messages in thread
From: Christoph Lameter @ 2008-02-15  6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: akpm
  Cc: Andrea Arcangeli, Robin Holt, Avi Kivity, Izik Eidus, kvm-devel,
	Peter Zijlstra, general, Steve Wise, Roland Dreier, Kanoj Sarcar,
	steiner, linux-kernel, linux-mm, daniel.blueman

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Two callbacks to remove individual pages as done in rmap code

	invalidate_page()

Called from the inner loop of rmap walks to invalidate pages.

	age_page()

Called for the determination of the page referenced status.

If we do not care about page referenced status then an age_page callback
may be be omitted. PageLock and pte lock are held when either of the
functions is called.

Signed-off-by: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Signed-off-by: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---
 mm/rmap.c |   13 ++++++++++---
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

Index: linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-07 16:49:32.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6/mm/rmap.c	2008-02-07 17:25:25.000000000 -0800
@@ -49,6 +49,7 @@
 #include <linux/module.h>
 #include <linux/kallsyms.h>
 #include <linux/memcontrol.h>
+#include <linux/mmu_notifier.h>
 
 #include <asm/tlbflush.h>
 
@@ -287,7 +288,8 @@ static int page_referenced_one(struct pa
 	if (vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) {
 		referenced++;
 		*mapcount = 1;	/* break early from loop */
-	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
+	} else if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+		   mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
 		referenced++;
 
 	/* Pretend the page is referenced if the task has the
@@ -455,6 +457,7 @@ static int page_mkclean_one(struct page 
 
 		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
 		entry = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 		entry = pte_wrprotect(entry);
 		entry = pte_mkclean(entry);
 		set_pte_at(mm, address, pte, entry);
@@ -712,7 +715,8 @@ static int try_to_unmap_one(struct page 
 	 * skipped over this mm) then we should reactivate it.
 	 */
 	if (!migration && ((vma->vm_flags & VM_LOCKED) ||
-			(ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte)))) {
+			(ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+				mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address)))) {
 		ret = SWAP_FAIL;
 		goto out_unmap;
 	}
@@ -720,6 +724,7 @@ static int try_to_unmap_one(struct page 
 	/* Nuke the page table entry. */
 	flush_cache_page(vma, address, page_to_pfn(page));
 	pteval = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+	mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 
 	/* Move the dirty bit to the physical page now the pte is gone. */
 	if (pte_dirty(pteval))
@@ -844,12 +849,14 @@ static void try_to_unmap_cluster(unsigne
 		page = vm_normal_page(vma, address, *pte);
 		BUG_ON(!page || PageAnon(page));
 
-		if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte))
+		if (ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, address, pte) |
+		    mmu_notifier_age_page(mm, address))
 			continue;
 
 		/* Nuke the page table entry. */
 		flush_cache_page(vma, address, pte_pfn(*pte));
 		pteval = ptep_clear_flush(vma, address, pte);
+		mmu_notifier(invalidate_page, mm, address);
 
 		/* If nonlinear, store the file page offset in the pte. */
 		if (page->index != linear_page_index(vma, address))

-- 

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2008-02-08 23:32   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 23:36     ` Robin Holt
2008-02-08 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 23:43         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-08 23:56           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-09  0:05             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09  0:12               ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
2008-02-09  0:16                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09  0:22                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-09  0:36                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09  1:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-09  1:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09  1:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-09  2:16                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09 12:55                               ` Rik van Riel
2008-02-09 21:46                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-11 22:40                                   ` Demand paging for memory regions (was Re: MMU Notifiers V6) Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 22:01                                     ` Steve Wise
2008-02-12 22:10                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-12 22:41                                         ` [ofa-general] Re: Demand paging for memory regions Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 23:14                                           ` Felix Marti
2008-02-13  0:57                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-14 15:09                                             ` Steve Wise
2008-02-14 15:53                                               ` Robin Holt
2008-02-14 16:23                                                 ` Steve Wise
2008-02-14 17:48                                                   ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-14 19:39                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-14 20:17                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-14 20:20                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-14 22:43                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-14 22:48                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  1:26                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-15  2:37                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 18:09                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-15 18:45                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 18:53                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-15 20:02                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 20:14                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-15 22:50                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 23:50                                                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
2008-02-12 23:23                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-13  1:01                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13  1:26                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-13  1:45                                                 ` Steve Wise
2008-02-13  2:35                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13  3:25                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-13  3:56                                                     ` Patrick Geoffray
2008-02-13  4:26                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-13  4:47                                                         ` Patrick Geoffray
2008-02-13 18:51                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 19:51                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-13 20:36                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13  4:09                                                   ` Christian Bell
2008-02-13 19:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 19:46                                                       ` Christian Bell
2008-02-13 20:32                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 22:44                                                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2008-02-13 23:02                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 23:43                                                               ` Kanoj Sarcar
2008-02-13 23:48                                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-14  0:56                                                                 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-14 19:35                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 23:23                                                     ` Pete Wyckoff
2008-02-14  0:01                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2008-02-27 22:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13  1:55                                               ` Christian Bell
2008-02-13  2:19                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13  0:56                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 12:11                                           ` Christoph Raisch
2008-02-13 19:02                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-09  0:12               ` [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Andrew Morton
2008-02-09  0:18                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-13 14:31 ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-15  6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 11:07     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 19:22     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:54       ` Avi Kivity
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