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From: "Hans-Jürgen Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Jasper Bryant-Greene <jasper@unix.geek.nz>,
rzryyvzy <rzryyvzy@trashmail.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is there a "blackhole" /dev/null directory?
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:19:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080214161942.55ce5089@dilbert.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802141553400.694@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>
Am Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:00:06 +0100 (CET)
schrieb Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>:
>
> On Feb 14 2008 10:46, Andi Kleen wrote:
> >Jasper Bryant-Greene <jasper@unix.geek.nz> writes:
> >>
> >> This could be done fairly trivially with FUSE, and IMHO is a good
> >> use for FUSE because since you're just throwing most data away,
> >> performance is not a concern.
>
> There is a much more interesting 'problem' with a "/dev/null
> directory".
>
> Q: Why would you need such a directory?
> A: To temporarily fool a program into believing it wrote something.
>
> Q: Should all files disappear? (e.g. "unlink after open")
> A: Maybe not, programs may stat() the file right afterwards and
> get confused by the "inexistence".
>
> Q: What if a program attempts to mkdir /dev/nullmnt/foo to just
> create a file /dev/nullmnt/foo/barfile?
> A: /dev/nullmnt/foo must continue to exist or be accepted for a while,
> or perhaps for eternity.
Well, the problem seems to be that a "directory" is not just data but
also contains metadata. While it's easy to write data to /dev/null, you
cannot simply discard metadata associated with a directory. So, such a
"/dev/null-directory" would have to remember metadata (at least all
created filenames including subdirectories) in the same way as other
filesystems do. Only file _content_ can be discarded.
To be honest, I still cannot see many sensible usecases for that...
Thanks,
Hans
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-14 15:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-14 9:30 rzryyvzy
2008-02-14 9:39 ` Jasper Bryant-Greene
2008-02-14 9:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-14 15:00 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-14 15:19 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch [this message]
2008-02-14 15:23 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-14 15:30 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-15 19:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-02-14 12:16 ` Mika Lawando
2008-02-14 15:06 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
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2008-02-14 17:16 ` Bodo Eggert
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[not found] ` <9WNTa-2x3-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <9WOch-2Wk-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-02-15 1:15 ` Bodo Eggert
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