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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>, Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	general@lists.openfabrics.org,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Kanoj Sarcar <kanojsarcar@yahoo.com>,
	steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] my mmu notifiers
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:59:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080219225923.GA18912@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080219135851.GI7128@v2.random>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 02:58:51PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:43:57AM +0100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > are rather similar. However I have tried to make a point of minimising the
> > impact the the core mm/. I don't see why we need to invalidate or flush
> 
> I also tried hard to minimise the impact of the core mm/, I also
> argued with Christoph that cluttering mm/ wasn't a good idea for
> things like age_page that could be a 1 liner change instead of a
> multiple-liner change, without any loss of flexibility or readability.
> 
> > anything when changing the pte to be _more_ permissive, and I don't
> 
> Note that in my patch the invalidate_pages in mprotect can be
> trivially switched to a mprotect_pages with proper params. This will
> prevent page faults completely in the secondary MMU (there will only
> be tlb misses after the tlb flush just like for the core linux pte),
> and it'll allow all the secondary MMU pte blocks (512/1024 at time
> with my PT lock design) to be updated to have proper permissions
> matching the core linux pte.
> 
> > understand the need for invalidate_begin/invalidate_end pairs at all.
> 
> The need of the pairs is crystal clear to me: range_begin is needed
> for GRU _but_only_if_ range_end is called after releasing the
> reference that the VM holds on the page. _begin will flush the GRU tlb
> and at the same time it will take a mutex that will block further GRU
> tlb-miss-interrupts (no idea how they manange those nightmare locking,
> I didn't even try to add more locking to KVM and I get away with the
> fact KVM takes the pin on the page itself).
> 
> My patch calls invalidate_page/pages before the reference is released
> on the page, so GRU will work fine despite lack of
> range_begin. Furthermore with my patch GRU will be auto-serialized by
> the PT lock w/o the need of any additional locking.

That's why I don't understand the need for the pairs: it should be
done like this.


> > What I have done is basically create it so that the notifiers get called
> > basically in the same place as the normal TLB flushing is done, and nowhere
> > else.
> 
> That was one of my objectives too.
> 
> > I also wanted to avoid calling notifier code from inside eg. hardware TLB
> > or pte manipulation primitives. These things are already pretty well
> > spaghetti, so I'd like to just place them right where needed first... I
> > think eventually it will need a bit of a rethink to make it more consistent
> > and more general. But I prefer to do put them in the caller for the moment.
> 
> Your patch should also work for KVM but it's suboptimal, my patch can
> be orders of magnitude more efficient for GRU thanks to the
> invalidate_pages optimization. Christoph complained about having to
> call one method per pte.

OK, I didn't see the invalidate_pages call...

 
> And adding invalidate_range is useless unless you fully support
> xpmem. You're calling invalidate_range in places that can't sleep...

I thought that could be used by a non-sleeping user (not intending
to try supporting sleeping users). If it is useless then it should
go away (BTW. I didn't see your recent patch, some of my confusion
I think stems from Christoph's novel way of merging and splitting
patches).


> No idea why xpmem needs range_begin, I perfectly understand why GRU
> needs _begin with Chrisotph's patch (gru lacks the page pin) but I
> dunno why xpmem needs range_begin (xpmem has the page pin so I also
> think it could avoid using range_begin). Still to support GRU you need
> both to call invalidate_range in places that can sleep and you need
> the external rmap notifier. The moment you add xpmem into the equation
> your and my clean patches become Christoph's one...

Sorry, I kind of didn't have time to follow the conversation so well
before; are there patches posted for gru and/or xpmem?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-19 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-19  8:43 Nick Piggin
2008-02-19  8:44 ` [patch] my mmu notifier sample driver Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 11:59 ` [patch] my mmu notifiers Robin Holt
2008-02-19 13:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 14:27   ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-19 23:04     ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  0:52       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20  2:46         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19 22:59   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-02-20  0:46     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19 23:11   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 23:40     ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-21  4:42       ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-22 16:31         ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-20  1:09     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 10:39       ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v6 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 10:45         ` [PATCH] KVM swapping (+ seqlock fix) with " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:06           ` [PATCH] KVM swapping with mmu notifiers #v7 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  8:42             ` izik eidus
2008-02-20 11:33         ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v6 Robin Holt
2008-02-20 12:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 12:24             ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 12:32               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 13:15                 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-21  5:02             ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 14:41         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 15:34           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 21:03         ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-21  4:54         ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 14:40           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-21 16:10             ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-27 19:26               ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v7 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 20:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-27 23:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 23:43                   ` [kvm-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  0:08                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28  0:21                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28  0:24                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 19:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 21:52                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 22:00                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 23:17                     ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-29  0:24                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29  1:13                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 23:05                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29  0:40                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29  0:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-29  1:03                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 13:09                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 19:46                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-02 15:54                 ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v8 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-02 16:03                   ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v8 + xpmem Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-02 16:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-03  3:29                   ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v8 Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 12:51                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-03 13:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 13:24                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-03 15:18                         ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-03 16:59                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 18:06                             ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-03 18:09                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-03 18:23                                 ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-03 18:45                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:15                                 ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-04 10:35                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-04 14:44                                     ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-03 19:02                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:01                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:15                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-05  0:37                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 18:48                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-06  2:59                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03  3:33                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:03                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03  3:34                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:04                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03  3:39                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 21:37                   ` [PATCH] mmu notifiers #v9 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-03 22:05                     ` [PATCH] KVM swapping with " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-04  0:44                       ` izik eidus
2008-03-04  7:31                         ` [RFC] Notifier for Externally Mapped Memory (EMM) Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04  7:34                           ` [Early draft] Conversion of i_mmap_lock to semaphore Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 13:30                           ` [RFC] Notifier for Externally Mapped Memory (EMM) Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-04 19:00                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 22:20                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-04 22:35                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 22:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-04 23:14                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 23:25                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-04 23:30                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-05  5:09                                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-05  9:47                                       ` Robin Holt
2008-03-05  9:53                                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-05 10:02                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
2008-03-07 15:17                                   ` [PATCH] 2/4 move all invalidate_page outside of PT lock (#v9 was 1/4) Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 15:23                                     ` [PATCH] 3/4 combine RCU with seqlock to allow mmu notifier methods to sleep " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 15:52                                       ` [PATCH] 4/4 i_mmap_lock spinlock2rwsem " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 20:03                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-19 21:27                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 16:52                                       ` [PATCH] 3/4 combine RCU with seqlock to allow mmu notifier methods to sleep " Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-07 17:50                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 18:01                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-07 18:45                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 19:47                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-03-07 20:15                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 20:12                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 20:10                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 20:00                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 19:54                                     ` [PATCH] 2/4 move all invalidate_page outside of PT lock " Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 13:21                         ` [PATCH] KVM swapping with mmu notifiers #v9 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-21  4:47       ` [patch] my mmu notifiers Nick Piggin
2008-02-20  2:49     ` Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:56     ` Christoph Lameter

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