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From: Nick Andrew <nick@nick-andrew.net>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 4/9]
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:17:02 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080220221702.GE2169@tull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4760.1203478930@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:42:10PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:38:55 +1100, Nick Andrew said:
> > +	  AVC refers to Access Vector Cache, a subsystem used by SELinux
> > +	  to improve performance of the security checking by caching
> > +	  previous access decisions.
> 
> This paragraph can be dropped, as the reasons that SELinux denial messages
> are tagged with 'avc' are mostly historical.   If you want to expand on anything
> in here, explain that 'AVC' messages are interesting because they indicate
> some sort of security rule denial.

Ok, if AVC is incidental then I don't need to mention it, and so don't
need to define the acronym.

> So - if you don't enable auditing,
> your security messages end up in the kernel syslog.  If you enable auditing,
> they end up in the audit logs.  Explaining *that* clearly would be a lot
> more useful than explaining what avc originally stood for.. ;)

How about this. I tried to explain what happens to audit messages.

        bool "Auditing support"
        depends on NET
        help
-         Enable auditing infrastructure that can be used with another
-         kernel subsystem, such as SELinux (which requires this for
-         logging of avc messages output).  Does not do system-call
-         auditing without CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL.
+         Enable an auditing infrastructure that can be used with another
+         kernel subsystem, such as Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux),
+         which requires this option for logging of security related
+         messages.
+
+         With this option, the kernel can use netlink to pass audit
+         messages to an audit daemon process. Otherwise, audit messages
+         are logged to syslog.
+
+         See <http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/> for more information
+         on Security-Enhanced Linux.
+
+         CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL (see below) is also required for
+         system-call auditing.
+
+         If unsure, say N.

I'm puzzled about "end up in the kernel syslog". Looking at include/linux/audit.h
it seems that they go nowhere:

#ifdef CONFIG_AUDIT
  [...]
#else
#define audit_log(c,g,t,f,...) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_start(c,g,t) ({ NULL; })
#define audit_log_vformat(b,f,a) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_format(b,f,...) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_end(b) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_hex(a,b,l) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_untrustedstring(a,s) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_n_untrustedstring(a,n,s) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_log_d_path(b, p, d) do { ; } while (0)
#define audit_enabled 0
#endif

So it looks like if CONFIG_AUDIT is not defined then audit messages are
ignored. Syslog is used by kernel/audit.c when there is an audit
failure, which seems to be mainly if the userspace audit daemon is not
running.

Nick.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-19 14:06 Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 0/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 14:09 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 1/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 14:11 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 2/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 14:33 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 3/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 14:42   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-19 15:10     ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 15:16       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-19 15:50         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-19 16:44         ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-19 22:41           ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-20 12:19           ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 3/9] config: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - namespaces Nick Andrew
2008-02-20 12:23             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-20 13:01               ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-20 13:07                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-20 16:50             ` serge
2008-02-20 23:10               ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 14:38 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 4/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-20  3:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-20 22:17     ` Nick Andrew [this message]
2008-02-19 14:53 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 5/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 20:17   ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-19 15:12 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 6/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 15:39   ` Paul Jackson
2008-02-20 12:41     ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-20 16:43       ` Paul Jackson
2008-02-20  2:04   ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20  2:54     ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-20  3:12       ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20 16:55       ` serge
2008-02-20 21:31         ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 15:15 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 7/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 15:21 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 8/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-19 15:27 ` Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions [PATCH 9/9] Nick Andrew
2008-02-20 22:33 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 1/9] init: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions part 1 Nick Andrew
     [not found] ` <200802220014.m1M0Dh5r022354@rgminet03.oracle.com>
2008-02-22  0:19   ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 5/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - IKCONFIG etc Randy Dunlap
2008-02-22  0:48 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 1/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions part 1 Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:49 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 2/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - TASKSTATS Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:51 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 3/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - NAMESPACES Nick Andrew
2008-02-27 23:00   ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-27 23:08     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-22  0:52 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 4/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - AUDIT Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:54 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 5/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - IKCONFIG etc Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:55 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 6/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - CGROUPS Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:56 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 7/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - EMBEDDED etc Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:58 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 8/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - SLAB Nick Andrew
2008-02-22  0:59 ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 9/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - MODULES Nick Andrew
     [not found] ` <200802220010.m1M0Arr7024044@vzorg.swsoft.net>
2008-02-22  8:14   ` [PATCH 2.6.25-rc2 3/9] Kconfig: Improve init/Kconfig help descriptions - NAMESPACES Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found] ` <200802220010.m1M0Auqn024414@e5.ny.us.ibm.com>
2008-02-22 22:14   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-23  1:12     ` Nick Andrew
2008-02-23  3:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn

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