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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
Cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] autofs4 - track uid and gid of last mount requestor
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:23:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080227232339.af6e904a.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1204182500.3501.49.camel@raven.themaw.net>

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:08:20 +0900 Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> wrote:

> 
> > 
> > What problem are you actually trying to solve here?
> 
> The basic problem arises only when we want to restart the user space
> daemon and there are active autofs managed mounts in place at exit (ie.
> autofs mounts that have busy user mounts). They are left mounted and
> processes using them continue to function. But then, when we startup
> autofs we need to reconnect to these autofs mounts, some of which can
> covered the by mounted file systems, and hence the need for another way
> to open an ioctl descriptor to them.

So we want to store persistant state in the kernel across userspace process
invokations.  That's normally done with a thing called a "file" ;) Could we
stick all the necessary state into files in a pseudo-fs and have the daemon
go and open and read them all when it restarts?

> It may have been overkill to re-implement all the current ioctls (and
> add a couple of other much needed ones)

I don't understand that bit.  But then, I don't have a clue how autofs
works.

> but I though it sensible for
> completeness, and we get to identify any possible problems the current
> ioctls might have had due to the use of the BKL (by the VFS when calling
> the ioctls).

It isn't a good idea to wait for races to reveal themselves.  It will take
years, especially with a system which has as low a call frequency as autofs
mounting.  And once a bug _does_ reveal itself, by then we'll have tens of
millions of machines out there running that bug.

> So, why do we need the uid and gid? When someone walks over an autofs
> dentry that is meant to cause a mount we send a request packet to the
> daemon via a pipe

connector or genetlink would be more fashionable transports.

> which includes the process uid and gid, and as part of
> the lookup we set macros for several mount map substitution variables,
> derived from the uid and gid of the process requesting the mount and
> they can be used within autofs maps.

yeah, could be a problem.  Hopefully the namespace people can advise. 
Perhaps we need a concept of an exportable-to-userspace namespace-id+uid,
namespace-id+gid, namespace-id+pid, etc for this sort of thing.  It has
come up before.  Recently, but I forget what the context was.

> This is all fine as long as we don't need to re-connect to these mounts
> when starting up, since we don't get kernel requests for the mounts, we
> need to obtain that information from the active mount itself.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-28  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-26  3:21 [PATCH 0/4] autofs4 - autofs needs a miscelaneous device for ioctls Ian Kent
2008-02-26  3:22 ` [PATCH 1/4] autofs4 - check for invalid dentry in getpath Ian Kent
2008-02-26  3:23 ` [PATCH 3/4] autofs4 - track uid and gid of last mount requestor Ian Kent
2008-02-26  5:14   ` [PATCH 3/4] autofs4 - track uid and gid of last mount requestor - correction Ian Kent
2008-02-28  4:45   ` [PATCH 3/4] autofs4 - track uid and gid of last mount requestor Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  6:22     ` Ian Kent
2008-02-28  6:37       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  7:08         ` Ian Kent
2008-02-28  7:23           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-02-28  8:00             ` Ian Kent
2008-02-28 17:13               ` Jeff Moyer
2008-02-28 19:51                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-29  3:32                   ` Ian Kent
2008-02-29 16:09                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-02-29 16:20                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-29 17:42                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-03-02  0:49                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-03-02  1:13                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-03-03 15:28                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-03-04 22:16                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-02-28  7:51           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-02-28  7:59             ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  8:06               ` Ian Kent
2008-02-28 12:31                 ` [autofs] " Fabio Olive Leite
2008-02-28 20:33             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-02-26  3:23 ` [PATCH 4/4] autofs4 - add miscelaneous device for ioctls Ian Kent
2008-02-28  5:17   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  6:18     ` Ian Kent
2008-03-13  7:00       ` [RFC] " Ian Kent
2008-03-14  2:45         ` Ian Kent
2008-03-14 12:45         ` Thomas Graf
2008-03-14 14:10           ` Ian Kent
2008-02-29 16:24     ` Ian Kent
2008-04-11  7:02       ` Ian Kent
2008-04-12  4:03         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  4:45           ` Ian Kent
2008-02-26  4:29 ` [PATCH 2/4] autofs4 - add mount option to display mount device Ian Kent
2008-02-28  5:17   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  4:40 ` [PATCH 0/4] autofs4 - autofs needs a miscelaneous device for ioctls Andrew Morton
2008-02-28  6:07   ` Ian Kent

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