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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
Cc: "LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, "Pallipadi,
	Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	"Dave Jones" <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Adam Belay" <abelay@novell.com>,
	"Lee Revell" <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] cpuidle: avoid singing capacitors
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:19:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803091919.25465.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080309151659.63d54f38@mjolnir.drzeus.cx>

On Sunday, 9 of March 2008, Pierre Ossman wrote:
> I'm beginning to think this is a lost cause. I've tried several variants, all without satisfactory results.
> 
> In case anyone else has any more ideas, I'll detail what I've found influences the noise:
> 
> 1. C state
> 
> This is the big one. There is no noise as long as C3 is avoided (processor.max_cstate).
> 
> 2. uhci_hcd driver
> 
> USB is somehow involved in this problem. Unloading the uhci_hcd driver almost
> entirely kills the noise on a 1000 HZ NO_HZ kernel. On a 100 HZ, no NO_HZ
> kernel, the effect is very small, but still there.  
> 
> 3. Low speed USB devices
> 
> Related, the noise goes away if I insert a USB mouse (low speed).
> A high-speed device does not effect the noise, neither does the two built-in
> low speed devices (a fingerprint reader and a bluetooth host).  
> 
> 4. Battery and AC
> 
> The noise increases with the battery present and also when the AC supply is
> removed. 
> 
> 5. Second core
> 
> Disabling the second core makes the noise go away. This might be
> a subset of 1., as I've been told that a stopped core enters C1. 
> 
> 
> Changing HZ and NO_HZ has no noticeable effect on the problem (except
> the odd behaviour in 2.). This is further supported by the fact that Windows
> also has the problem (which should behave close to 100 HZ without NO_HZ).  
> 
> 
> So for now, the only viable workaround is processor.max_cstate....

Well, there may be some users willing to trade some battery life for having a
quiet box. :-)

Perhaps it's worth documenting?

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-09 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-29 18:38 [RFC][PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-02-29 21:44 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-03-01 12:31   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-01 13:40 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-02  2:27 ` Lee Revell
2008-03-02 14:17   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 12:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 20:18 ` [PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 20:46   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:03     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 21:08       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:14         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 21:17           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 22:04             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 23:05               ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-03-03 23:10                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04  4:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-03-04  6:14                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:19                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:29                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 17:30                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 18:04                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 18:34                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05  6:04                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 15:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05 16:53                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 17:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 19:01                         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-05  6:02                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  8:40                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  9:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:42                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 13:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:52                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-06  8:27                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 14:16                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 18:19                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2008-03-09 18:50                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-09 19:30                                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:14                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 20:41                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:54                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-10 10:00                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-10 12:49                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-10 13:04                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-10 13:29                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:11                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-13  8:10                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-13 10:42                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-14  4:13                                             ` Len Brown
2008-03-13 16:34                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 16:47                                           ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-13 17:44                                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 17:49                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 19:40                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 21:15                                             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-15  0:41                                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11  7:51                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 10:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-11 15:20                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 17:31                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:17                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-12 20:31                               ` Len Brown
2008-03-04  9:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 23:09               ` Andi Kleen

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