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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adam Belay <abelay@novell.com>, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] cpuidle: avoid singing capacitors
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:13:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803140013.59146.lenb@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080313104217.GH2522@one.firstfloor.org>

On Thursday 13 March 2008, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:10:48AM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > > > > USB keeps processor out of C3 in many cases.
> > > > 
> > > > I figured that was the case. But I did not see any difference in powertop.
> > > 
> > > Modern Intel mobile processors have a feature called "C2 popup"
> > > that allows the processor to retire DMA from C3 without
> > > breaking into C0.  Instead the processor pops up to C2
> > > where the cache snoop can allow the DMA to retire --
> > > then it returns to C3, all transparent to software.
> > 
> > Does that mean we should go to C3 on modern intels, even with
> > busmaster going on, so that cpu can keep going C2..C3..C2 as needed?

That decision has already been made for us.
BM_STS has been made a no-op on recent processors.
It reports bus activity only for a small sub-set of
south-bridge devices.  Otherwise it tells us there
is none and that we should proceed into C3.

> C3 is still more expensive power wise to enter, so entering C3 just
> to let it immediately go back to C2 for bus mastering would be likely
> still a loss over staying at C2.

The newer the processor, the less exposed we area to this scenario.

cheers,
-Len

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-14  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-29 18:38 [RFC][PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-02-29 21:44 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-03-01 12:31   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-01 13:40 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-02  2:27 ` Lee Revell
2008-03-02 14:17   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 12:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 20:18 ` [PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 20:46   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:03     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 21:08       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:14         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 21:17           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 22:04             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 23:05               ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-03-03 23:10                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04  4:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-03-04  6:14                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:19                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:29                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 17:30                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 18:04                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 18:34                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05  6:04                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 15:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05 16:53                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 17:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 19:01                         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-05  6:02                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  8:40                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  9:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:42                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 13:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:52                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-06  8:27                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 14:16                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 18:19                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-09 18:50                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-09 19:30                                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:14                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 20:41                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:54                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-10 10:00                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-10 12:49                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-10 13:04                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-10 13:29                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:11                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-13  8:10                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-13 10:42                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-14  4:13                                             ` Len Brown [this message]
2008-03-13 16:34                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 16:47                                           ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-13 17:44                                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 17:49                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 19:40                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 21:15                                             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-15  0:41                                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11  7:51                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 10:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-11 15:20                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 17:31                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:17                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-12 20:31                               ` Len Brown
2008-03-04  9:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 23:09               ` Andi Kleen

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