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From: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>
To: "Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>
Cc: "Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Adam Belay" <abelay@novell.com>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Lee Revell" <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] cpuidle: avoid singing capacitors
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:41:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080315014143.32d0d5e9@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <924EFEDD5F540B4284297C4DC59F3DEEB34783@orsmsx423.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:15:46 -0700
"Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com> wrote:

> 
> Why go only one C-state down. Why not directly drop to max_hwcstate? We
> don't need to loop through that way.
> 

Good point. But we can't just jump there and be done with it. That state might not be available (then again, we could require the user to put in a valid max_hwcstate, but that isn't as user friendly).

> There are few other concerns which make me feel that the patch will be
> not as simple as this.
> 1) BIOS may already be exporting the lower C-states as separate states.
> In which case we just have to ignore this deep C-state and return. I
> mean, on your system if BIOS exports C1, C3 and C6 hardware C-states and
> you give max_hwcstate as C3, then we don't want to have C1, C3 and C3 in
> our list.
> 

Indeed. But the current system doesn't easily allows us to handle that. Any ideas?

> 2) On same lines the other information in ACPI like (low power of 100
> and higher latency for C6 on your system) corresponds to hardware C6
> state. If we change the hardware C-state here to C3, then continue to
> use latency info from ACPI for hw C6, that may lead to inefficient state
> selection in the governor. Also, ther are assumptions related DMA,
> lapic, TSC etc in upper level ACPI based on "ACPI C-state" and changing
> underlying hardware C-state to C1 for example will change some of those
> behavior.
> 

It is still way better going to C3 less than possible than not at all (i.e. the previous workaround of processor.max_cstate). As far as I can tell from the documentation, every C-state includes all of the negative side effects of the ones preceding it. So it should just be a matter of sub-optimal selection by the governor. And I don't see how we can fix that without a big table for each processor and possibly chipset.

Rgds
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-15  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-29 18:38 [RFC][PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-02-29 21:44 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-03-01 12:31   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-01 13:40 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-02  2:27 ` Lee Revell
2008-03-02 14:17   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 12:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 20:18 ` [PATCH] " Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 20:46   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:03     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 21:08       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 21:14         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 21:17           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-03 22:04             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-03 23:05               ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-03-03 23:10                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04  4:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-03-04  6:14                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:19                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:29                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 17:30                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 17:43                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 18:04                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04 18:34                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05  6:04                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 15:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-05 16:53                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 17:32                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-04 19:01                         ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-05  6:02                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  8:40                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05  9:03                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:42                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-05 13:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-05 13:52                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-06  8:27                               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 14:16                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 18:19                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-09 18:50                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-09 19:30                                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:14                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-09 20:41                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-09 20:54                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-10 10:00                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-10 12:49                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-10 13:04                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-10 13:29                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:11                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-13  8:10                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-13 10:42                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-14  4:13                                             ` Len Brown
2008-03-13 16:34                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 16:47                                           ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-13 17:44                                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-13 17:49                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 19:40                                           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-14 21:15                                             ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-03-15  0:41                                               ` Pierre Ossman [this message]
2008-03-11  7:51                                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 10:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-11 15:20                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-11 17:31                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-12 19:17                                       ` Len Brown
2008-03-12 20:31                               ` Len Brown
2008-03-04  9:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-03 23:09               ` Andi Kleen

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