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From: Fabio Checconi <fchecconi@gmail.com>
To: Nauman Rafique <nauman@google.com>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Divyesh Shah <dpshah@google.com>,
Ryo Tsuruta <ryov@valinux.co.jp>,
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paolo.valente@unimore.it
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] [RFC] Another proportional weight IO controller
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:44:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081118234404.GI15268@gandalf.sssup.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e98e18940811181433o4bb5a147i1e0b9c1baf495ae2@mail.gmail.com>
> From: Nauman Rafique <nauman@google.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 18, 2008 02:33:19PM -0800
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Fabio Checconi <fchecconi@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> > it should be possible without altering the code. The slices can be
> > assigned in the time domain using big values for max_budget. The logic
> > is: each process is assigned a budget (in the range [max_budget/2, max_budget],
> > choosen from the feedback mechanism, driven in __bfq_bfqq_recalc_budget()),
> > and if it does not complete it in timeout_sync milliseconds, it is
> > charged a fixed amount of sectors of service.
> >
> > Using big values for max_budget (where big means greater than two
> > times the number of sectors the hard drive can transfer in timeout_sync
> > milliseconds) makes the budgets always to time out, so the disk time
> > is scheduled in slices of timeout_sync.
> >
> > However this is just a temporary workaround to do some basic testing.
> >
> > Modifying the scheduler to support time slices instead of sector
> > budgets would indeed simplify the code; I think that the drawback
> > would be being too unfair in the service domain. Of course we
> > have to consider how much is important to be fair in the service
> > domain, and how much added complexity/new code can we accept for it.
> >
> > [ Better service domain fairness is one of the main reasons why
> > we started working on bfq, so, talking for me and Paolo it _is_
> > important :) ]
> >
> > I have to think a little bit on how it would be possible to support
> > an option for time-only budgets, coexisting with the current behavior,
> > but I think it can be done.
>
> I think "time only budget" vs "sector budget" is dependent on the
> definition of fairness: do you want to be fair in the time that is
> given to each cgroup or fair in total number of sectors transferred.
> And the appropriate definition of fairness depends on how/where the IO
> scheduler is used. Do you think the work-around that you mentioned
> would have a significant performance difference compared to direct
> built-in support?
>
In terms of throughput, it should not have any influence, since tasks
would always receive a full timeslice. In terms of latency it would
bypass completely the feedback mechanism, and that would have a
negative impact (basically the scheduler would not be able to
differentiate between tasks with the same weight but with different
interactivity needs).
In terms of service fairness it is a little bit hard to say, but I
would not expect anything near to what can be done with a service domain
approach, independently from the scheduler used.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-18 23:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-06 15:30 vgoyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 1/4] io controller: documentation vgoyal
2008-11-07 2:32 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07 14:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-10 2:48 ` Li Zefan
2008-11-10 13:44 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 2/4] io controller: biocgroup implementation vgoyal
2008-11-07 2:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07 4:19 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-11-07 14:44 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementation logic vgoyal
2008-11-07 3:21 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07 14:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-08 2:35 ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementationlogic KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-11 8:50 ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementation logic Gui Jianfeng
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 4/4] io controller: Put IO controller to use in device mapper and standard make_request() function vgoyal
2008-11-06 15:49 ` [patch 0/4] [RFC] Another proportional weight IO controller Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:01 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:39 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:57 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-06 17:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-07 0:41 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-07 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-09 9:40 ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 17:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 23:07 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-07 14:19 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-07 21:36 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-10 14:11 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-11 19:55 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-11 22:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-12 21:20 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-13 13:49 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-13 18:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 19:15 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-13 22:27 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-13 23:10 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-14 4:58 ` Satoshi UCHIDA
2008-11-14 8:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-14 10:06 ` Satoshi UCHIDA
2008-11-06 16:47 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-07 2:36 ` Gui Jianfeng
2008-11-07 13:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 9:05 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-13 15:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 18:41 ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-13 21:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 22:57 ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-14 16:05 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-14 22:44 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-17 14:23 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18 2:02 ` Li Zefan
2008-11-18 5:01 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18 7:42 ` Li Zefan
2008-11-18 22:23 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18 12:05 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 14:07 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18 14:41 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 19:12 ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-18 19:47 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18 21:14 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19 1:52 ` Aaron Carroll
2008-11-19 10:17 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19 11:06 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-20 4:45 ` Aaron Carroll
2008-11-20 6:56 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19 14:30 ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-19 15:52 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 23:07 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-19 14:24 ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-20 0:12 ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-20 8:16 ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-20 13:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 19:54 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-20 21:15 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 22:42 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-21 15:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-26 6:40 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-26 15:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 21:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-21 3:05 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-21 14:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-21 15:21 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 22:33 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18 23:44 ` Fabio Checconi [this message]
2008-11-19 7:09 ` Paolo Valente
2008-11-13 22:13 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 9:20 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-20 13:47 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-25 2:33 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-25 16:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-25 22:38 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-26 14:06 ` Paolo Valente
2008-11-26 19:41 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-26 22:21 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-26 11:55 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-26 12:47 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-26 16:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-27 8:43 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-28 3:09 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-28 13:33 ` Ryo Tsuruta
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