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From: Fabio Checconi <fchecconi@gmail.com>
To: Aaron Carroll <aaronc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Nauman Rafique <nauman@google.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Divyesh Shah <dpshah@google.com>,
	Ryo Tsuruta <ryov@valinux.co.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, taka@valinux.co.jp,
	righi.andrea@gmail.com, s-uchida@ap.jp.nec.com,
	fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp, balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, menage@google.com, ngupta@google.com,
	riel@redhat.com, jmoyer@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	paolo.valente@unimore.it
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] [RFC] Another proportional weight IO controller
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081119110655.GC20915@gandalf.sssup.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081119101701.GA20915@gandalf.sssup.it>

> From: Fabio Checconi <fchecconi@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2008 11:17:01AM +0100
>
> > From: Aaron Carroll <aaronc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
> > Date: Wed, Nov 19, 2008 12:52:42PM +1100
> >
> > Fabio Checconi wrote:
> > >   - To detect hw tagging in BFQ we consider a sample valid iff the
> > >     number of requests that the scheduler could have dispatched (given
> > >     by cfqd->rb_queued + cfqd->rq_in_driver, i.e., the ones still into
> > >     the scheduler plus the ones into the driver) is higher than the
> > >     CFQ_HW_QUEUE_MIN threshold.  This obviously caused no problems
> > >     during testing, but the way CFQ uses now seems a little bit
> > >     strange.
> > 
> > BFQ's tag detection logic is broken in the same way that CFQ's used to
> > be.  Explanation is in this patch:
> > 
> 
> If you look at bfq_update_hw_tag(), the logic introduced by the patch
> you mention is still there; BFQ starts with ->hw_tag = 1, and updates it
> every 32 valid samples.  What changed WRT your patch, apart from the
> number of samples, is that the condition for a sample to be valid is:
> 
>   bfqd->rq_in_driver + bfqd->queued >= 5
> 
> while in your patch it is:
> 
>   cfqd->rq_queued > 5 || cfqd->rq_in_driver > 5
> 
> We preferred the first one because that sum better reflects the number
> of requests that could have been dispatched, and I don't think that this
> is wrong.
> 
> There is a problem, but it's not within the tag detection logic itself.
> From some quick experiments, what happens is that when a process starts,
> CFQ considers it seeky (*), BFQ doesn't.  As a side effect BFQ does not
> always dispatch enough requests to correctly detect tagging.
> 
> At the first seek you cannot tell if the process is going to bee seeky
> or not, and we have chosen to consider it sequential because it improved
> fairness in some sequential workloads (the CIC_SEEKY heuristic is used
> also to determine the idle_window length in [bc]fq_arm_slice_timer()).
> 
> Anyway, we're dealing with heuristics, and they tend to favor some
> workload over other ones.  If recovering this thoughput loss is more
> important than a transient unfairness due to short idling windows assigned
> to sequential processes when they start, I've no problems in switching
> the CIC_SEEKY logic to consider a process seeky when it starts.
> 
> Thank you for testing and for pointing out this issue, we missed it
> in our testing.
> 
> 
> (*) to be correct, the initial classification depends on the position
>     of the first accessed sector.

Sorry, I forgot the patch...  This seems to solve the problem with
your workload here, does it work for you?

[ The magic number would not appear in a definitive fix... ]


---
diff --git a/block/bfq-iosched.c b/block/bfq-iosched.c
index 83e90e9..e9b010f 100644
--- a/block/bfq-iosched.c
+++ b/block/bfq-iosched.c
@@ -1322,10 +1322,12 @@ static void bfq_update_io_seektime(struct bfq_data *bfqd,
 
 	/*
 	 * Don't allow the seek distance to get too large from the
-	 * odd fragment, pagein, etc.
+	 * odd fragment, pagein, etc.  The first request is not
+	 * really a seek, but we consider a cic seeky on creation
+	 * to make the hw_tag detection logic work better.
 	 */
-	if (cic->seek_samples == 0) /* first request, not really a seek */
-		sdist = 0;
+	if (cic->seek_samples == 0)
+		sdist = 8 * 1024 + 1;
 	else if (cic->seek_samples <= 60) /* second&third seek */
 		sdist = min(sdist, (cic->seek_mean * 4) + 2*1024*1024);
 	else

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-19 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-06 15:30 vgoyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 1/4] io controller: documentation vgoyal
2008-11-07  2:32   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07 14:27     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-10  2:48   ` Li Zefan
2008-11-10 13:44     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 2/4] io controller: biocgroup implementation vgoyal
2008-11-07  2:50   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07  4:19     ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-11-07 14:44     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementation logic vgoyal
2008-11-07  3:21   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07 14:50     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-08  2:35       ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementationlogic KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-11  8:50   ` [patch 3/4] io controller: Core IO controller implementation logic Gui Jianfeng
2008-11-06 15:30 ` [patch 4/4] io controller: Put IO controller to use in device mapper and standard make_request() function vgoyal
2008-11-06 15:49 ` [patch 0/4] [RFC] Another proportional weight IO controller Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:01   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 16:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:39       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 16:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-06 16:57           ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-06 17:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-07  0:41               ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-07 10:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-09  9:40                   ` Dave Chinner
2008-11-06 17:08           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-06 23:07             ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-07 14:19               ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-07 21:36                 ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-10 14:11                   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-11 19:55                     ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-11 22:30                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-12 21:20                         ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-13 13:49                           ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-13 18:08                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 19:15                             ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-13 22:27                               ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-13 23:10                                 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-14  4:58                             ` Satoshi UCHIDA
2008-11-14  8:02                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-14 10:06                                 ` Satoshi UCHIDA
2008-11-06 16:47       ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-07  2:36 ` Gui Jianfeng
2008-11-07 13:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13  9:05 ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-13 15:58   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 18:41     ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-13 21:46       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-13 22:57         ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-14 16:05           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-14 22:44             ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-17 14:23               ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18  2:02                 ` Li Zefan
2008-11-18  5:01                   ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18  7:42                     ` Li Zefan
2008-11-18 22:23                       ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18 12:05                     ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 14:07                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18 14:41                         ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 19:12                           ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-18 19:47                             ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-18 21:14                             ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19  1:52                               ` Aaron Carroll
2008-11-19 10:17                                 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19 11:06                                   ` Fabio Checconi [this message]
2008-11-20  4:45                                     ` Aaron Carroll
2008-11-20  6:56                                       ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19 14:30                               ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-19 15:52                                 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 23:07                             ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-19 14:24                               ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-20  0:12                                 ` Divyesh Shah
2008-11-20  8:16                                   ` Jens Axboe
2008-11-20 13:40                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 19:54                                       ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-20 21:15                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 22:42                                           ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-21 15:22                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-26  6:40                                       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-26 15:18                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20 21:31                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-21  3:05                             ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-21 14:58                               ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-21 15:21                                 ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-18 22:33                       ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-18 23:44                         ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-19  7:09                         ` Paolo Valente
2008-11-13 22:13     ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-20  9:20       ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-20 13:47         ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-25  2:33           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-25 16:27             ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-25 22:38               ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-26 14:06                 ` Paolo Valente
2008-11-26 19:41                   ` Nauman Rafique
2008-11-26 22:21                     ` Fabio Checconi
2008-11-26 11:55               ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-26 12:47               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-26 16:08                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-11-27  8:43                   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-11-28  3:09                     ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-11-28 13:33                   ` Ryo Tsuruta

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