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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Yalin.Wang@sonymobile.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/4] mm: throttle MADV_FREE
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:42:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150226004206.GA16773@blaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150225183748.GA2551@kernel.org>

Hello,

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:37:48AM -0800, Shaohua Li wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 04:11:18PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:08:09AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > Hi Michal,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 04:43:18PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Tue 24-02-15 17:18:14, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > > Recently, Shaohua reported that MADV_FREE is much slower than
> > > > > MADV_DONTNEED in his MADV_FREE bomb test. The reason is many of
> > > > > applications went to stall with direct reclaim since kswapd's
> > > > > reclaim speed isn't fast than applications's allocation speed
> > > > > so that it causes lots of stall and lock contention.
> > > > 
> > > > I am not sure I understand this correctly. So the issue is that there is
> > > > huge number of MADV_FREE on the LRU and they are not close to the tail
> > > > of the list so the reclaim has to do a lot of work before it starts
> > > > dropping them?
> > > 
> > > No, Shaohua already tested deactivating of hinted pages to head/tail
> > > of inactive anon LRU and he said it didn't solve his problem.
> > > I thought main culprit was scanning/rotating/throttling in
> > > direct reclaim path.
> > 
> > I investigated my workload and found most of slowness came from swapin.
> > 
> > 1) dontneed: 1,612 swapin
> > 2) madvfree: 879,585 swapin
> > 
> > If we find hinted pages were already swapped out when syscall is called,
> > it's pointless to keep the pages in pte. Instead, free the cold page
> > because swapin is more expensive than (alloc page + zeroing).
> > 
> > I tested below quick fix and reduced swapin from 879,585 to 1,878.
> > Elapsed time was
> > 
> > 1) dontneed: 6.10user 233.50system 0:50.44elapsed
> > 2) madvfree + below patch: 6.70user 339.14system 1:04.45elapsed
> > 
> > Although it was not good as throttling, it's better than old and
> > it's orthogoral with throttling so I hope to merge this first
> > than arguable throttling. Any comments?
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
> > index 6d0fcb8921c2..d41ae76d3e54 100644
> > --- a/mm/madvise.c
> > +++ b/mm/madvise.c
> > @@ -274,7 +274,9 @@ static int madvise_free_pte_range(pmd_t *pmd, unsigned long addr,
> >  	spinlock_t *ptl;
> >  	pte_t *pte, ptent;
> >  	struct page *page;
> > +	swp_entry_t entry;
> >  	unsigned long next;
> > +	int rss = 0;
> >  
> >  	next = pmd_addr_end(addr, end);
> >  	if (pmd_trans_huge(*pmd)) {
> > @@ -293,9 +295,19 @@ static int madvise_free_pte_range(pmd_t *pmd, unsigned long addr,
> >  	for (; addr != end; pte++, addr += PAGE_SIZE) {
> >  		ptent = *pte;
> >  
> > -		if (!pte_present(ptent))
> > +		if (pte_none(ptent))
> >  			continue;
> >  
> > +		if (!pte_present(ptent)) {
> > +			entry = pte_to_swp_entry(ptent);
> > +			if (non_swap_entry(entry))
> > +				continue;
> > +			rss--;
> > +			free_swap_and_cache(entry);
> > +			pte_clear_not_present_full(mm, addr, pte, tlb->fullmm);
> > +			continue;
> > +		}
> > +
> >  		page = vm_normal_page(vma, addr, ptent);
> >  		if (!page)
> >  			continue;
> > @@ -326,6 +338,14 @@ static int madvise_free_pte_range(pmd_t *pmd, unsigned long addr,
> >  		set_pte_at(mm, addr, pte, ptent);
> >  		tlb_remove_tlb_entry(tlb, pte, addr);
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	if (rss) {
> > +		if (current->mm == mm)
> > +			sync_mm_rss(mm);
> > +
> > +		add_mm_counter(mm, MM_SWAPENTS, rss);
> > +	}
> > +
> 
> This looks make sense, but I'm wondering why it can help and if this can help
> real workload.  Let me have an example. Say there is 1G memory, workload uses

void *ptr1 = malloc(len); /* allocator mmap new chunk */
touch_iow_dirty(ptr1, len);
..
..
..
..                      /* swapout happens */
free(ptr1);             /* allocator calls MADV_FREE on the chunk */

void *ptr2 = malloc(len) /* allocator reuses previous chunk */
touch_iow_dirty(ptr2, len); /* swapin happens to read garbage and application overwrite the garbage */

It's really unnecessary cost.


> 800M memory with DONTNEED, there should be no swap. With FREE, workload might
> use more than 1G memory and trigger swap. I thought the case (DONTNEED doesn't
> trigger swap) is more suitable to evaluate the performance of the patch.

I think above example is really clear and possible scenario.
Could you give me more concrete example to test if you want?

Thanks.

> 
> Thanks,
> Shaohua
> 

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-26  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-24  8:18 Minchan Kim
2015-02-24  8:18 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] mm: change deactivate_page with deactivate_file_page Minchan Kim
2015-02-24  8:18 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] mm: move lazy free pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-02-24 16:14   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25  0:27     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-25 15:17       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-24  8:18 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] mm: support MADV_FREE in swapless system Minchan Kim
2015-02-24 16:51   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25  1:41     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-24 15:43 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] mm: throttle MADV_FREE Michal Hocko
2015-02-24 22:54   ` Shaohua Li
2015-02-25 14:13     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25  0:08   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-25  7:11     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-25 15:07       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 18:37       ` Shaohua Li
2015-02-26  0:42         ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2015-02-26 19:04           ` Shaohua Li
2015-02-27  3:37     ` [RFC] mm: change mm_advise_free to clear page dirty Wang, Yalin
2015-02-27  5:28       ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-27  5:48         ` Wang, Yalin
2015-02-27  6:44           ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-27  7:50             ` Wang, Yalin
2015-02-27 13:37               ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-28 13:50                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-03-02  1:59                   ` Wang, Yalin
2015-03-03  0:42                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-27 21:02       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-28  2:11         ` Wang, Yalin
2015-02-28  6:01           ` [RFC V2] " Wang, Yalin
2015-03-02 12:38             ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-03  2:06               ` [RFC V3] " Wang, Yalin
2015-02-28 13:55           ` [RFC] " Minchan Kim
2015-03-02  1:53             ` Wang, Yalin
2015-03-02 12:33           ` Michal Hocko

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