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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> Cc: Mark Seaborn <mseaborn@chromium.org>, "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>, "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>, kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>, Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org> Subject: rowhammer and pagemap (was Re: [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:16:53 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20150317111653.GA23711@amd> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU8SeOTSexLOi36sX7Smwfv0baraK=A3hq8twoyBN7NBg@mail.gmail.com> > > Given that, I think it would still be worthwhile to disable /proc/PID/pagemap. > > Having slept on this further, I think that unprivileged pagemap access > is awful and we should disable it with no option to re-enable. If we > absolutely must, we could allow programs to read all zeros or to read > addresses that are severely scrambled (e.g. ECB-encrypted by a key > generated once per open of pagemap). > - It could easily leak direct-map addresses, and there's a nice paper > detailing a SMAP bypass using that technique. Do you have a pointer? > Can we just try getting rid of it except with global CAP_SYS_ADMIN. > > (Hmm. Rowhammer attacks targeting SMRAM could be interesting.) :-). > >> Can we do anything about that? Disabling cache flushes from userland > >> should make it no longer exploitable. > > > > Unfortunately there's no way to disable userland code's use of > > CLFLUSH, as far as I know. > > > > Maybe Intel or AMD could disable CLFLUSH via a microcode update, but > > they have not said whether that would be possible. > > The Intel people I asked last week weren't confident. For one thing, > I fully expect that rowhammer can be exploited using only reads and > writes with some clever tricks involving cache associativity. I don't > think there are any fully-associative caches, although the cache > replacement algorithm could make the attacks interesting. We should definitely get Intel/AMD to disable CLFLUSH, then. Because if it can be exploited using reads, it is _extremely_ important to know. As it probably means rowhammer can be exploited using Javascript / Java... and affected machines are unsafe even without remote users. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-03-17 11:16 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2015-03-09 21:11 [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace Kirill A. Shutemov 2015-03-09 21:20 ` Pavel Emelyanov 2015-03-09 22:09 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov 2015-03-10 0:11 ` Kees Cook 2015-03-10 0:19 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-03-10 2:36 ` Dave Hansen 2015-03-16 21:11 ` Pavel Machek 2015-03-17 0:49 ` Mark Seaborn 2015-03-17 1:21 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-03-17 11:16 ` Pavel Machek [this message] 2015-03-17 17:58 ` rowhammer and pagemap (was Re: [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace) One Thousand Gnomes 2015-03-23 21:26 ` Pavel Machek 2015-03-19 12:51 ` [RFC, PATCH] pagemap: do not leak physical addresses to non-privileged userspace Vlastimil Babka 2015-03-23 21:26 ` Pavel Machek 2015-03-23 22:36 ` Vlastimil Babka
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