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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, sulrich@codeaurora.org,
	timur@codeaurora.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Mike Marciniszyn <mike.marciniszyn@intel.com>,
	Dennis Dalessandro <dennis.dalessandro@intel.com>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"open list:HFI1 DRIVER" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	Rajat Jain <rajatja@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] IB/hfi1: Try slot reset before secondary bus reset
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:23:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180423202311.GA164898@bhelgaas-glaptop.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180423131044.53471670@w520.home>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 01:10:44PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 13:28:22 -0400
> Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 4/20/2018 11:04 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > Is there a concern here about whether the endpoint device driver or the
> > > PCI core really knows better about link retraining?  This makes me
> > > remember my unfinished (and need to revisit) Pericom quirk[1] where
> > > errata in the PCIe switch requires that upstream and downstream links
> > > are balanced (ie. same link rate) or else enabling ACS results in
> > > packets not properly flowing through the switch.  If an endpoint driver
> > > starts deciding to retrain links, overriding quirks in the PCI core,
> > > then such topology manipulation isn't possible.  Why does the
> > > driver .probe() function think it can retrain at a higher link rate
> > > than PCI core?  Thanks,  
> > 
> > The example given is for some serdes firmware load to happen in probe and
> > then performing a retrain to reach to a better speed.
> > 
> > It becomes a chicken and egg problem. 
> > 
> > 1. Endpoint HW trains to gen1 by default pre-boot.
> > 2. PCI core enumerates the device.
> > 3. Endpoint driver gets loaded
> > 4. Driver does the firmware programming followed by a link retrain.
> > 
> > I think it is the responsibility of the PCI core to provide reset APIs.
> > However, expecting endpoint drivers to be knowledgeable about hotplug is
> > too much.
> > 
> > We can certainly contain AER change into pci directory by moving the slot
> > reset function to drivers/pci.h file.
> > 
> > But, we need to think about what to do about VFIO and other endpoint
> > initiated reset cases. My suggestion was to move this into a single API and
> > remove all other APIs from include/linux/pci.h.
> 
> I'm a little confused about the relation between reset and retrain.
> AIUI we can retrain the link without any sort of endpoint reset and if
> some sort of driver/firmware setup is required on the endpoint to
> achieve the target link speed, then I'd think we only want to retrain.

In hfi1, do_pcie_gen3_transition() resets the device.  I don't know if
retraining the link would be sufficient; maybe the reset is required
to make the device use the new firmware.  I guess we already export
reset interfaces, so if we add a retrain interface, drivers could
choose what they need.

> How this is going to work with vfio is an interesting question.  We're
> only providing access to the device, not the link to the device.

> Multifunction endpoints become a big problem if one function starts
> requesting link retraining while another is in use elsewhere.

Can we just make it the driver's problem by returning -EPERM if one
function requests a retrain while another function is in use?

Bjorn

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-23 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-19 19:56 Sinan Kaya
2018-04-19 19:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] PCI/AER: " Sinan Kaya
2018-04-27 18:51   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-19 20:26 ` [PATCH 1/2] IB/hfi1: " Jason Gunthorpe
2018-04-19 20:35   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-19 21:47   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-04-19 22:11     ` Deucher, Alexander
2018-04-20 14:12       ` Dennis Dalessandro
2018-04-20 14:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-04-19 22:19     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-20 14:00       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-04-20 14:23         ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-20 15:04         ` Alex Williamson
2018-04-23 17:28           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-23 19:10             ` Alex Williamson
2018-04-23 20:17               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-23 20:23               ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2018-04-23 20:41                 ` Alex Williamson
2018-04-25 14:13               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-04-20 14:54     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-06-19 21:43 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-06-19 22:21   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-06-22 14:01     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-06-22 16:04       ` Sinan Kaya

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