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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@oracle.com>,
	Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, James Hogan <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	"Levin, Alexander (Sasha Levin)" <alexander.levin@verizon.com>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/8] mm: introduce PG_offline
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 23:08:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180429210850.GB26305@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <903ab7f7-88ce-9bc3-036b-261cce1bb26c@redhat.com>

On Sun 22-04-18 17:13:52, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 22.04.2018 16:02, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:17:31AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> On 22.04.2018 05:01, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 06:52:18PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> >>>> Sounds like your newly introduced "page types" could be useful here? I
> >>>> don't suppose those offline pages would be using mapcount which is
> >>>> aliased there?
> >>>
> >>> Oh, that's a good point!  Yes, this is a perfect use for page_type.
> >>> We have something like twenty bits available there.
> >>>
> >>> Now you've got me thinking that we can move PG_hwpoison and PG_reserved
> >>> to be page_type flags too.  That'll take us from 23 to 21 bits (on 32-bit,
> >>> with PG_UNCACHED)
> >>
> >> Some things to clarify here. I modified the current RFC to also allow
> >> PG_offline on allocated (ballooned) pages (e.g. virtio-balloon).
> >>
> >> kdump based dump tools can then easily identify which pages are not to
> >> be dumped (either because the content is invalid or not accessible).
> >>
> >> I previously stated that ballooned pages would be marked as PG_reserved,
> >> which is not true (at least not for virtio-balloon). However this allows
> >> me to detect if all pages in a section are offline by looking at
> >> (PG_reserved && PG_offline). So I can actually tell if a page is marked
> >> as offline and allocated or really offline.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. The location (not the number!) of PG_hwpoison is basically ABI and
> >> cannot be changed. Moving it around will most probably break dump tools.
> >> (see kernel/crash_core.c)
> > 
> > It's not ABI.  It already changed after 4.9 when PG_waiters was introduced
> > by commit 62906027091f.
> 
> It is, please have a look at the file I pointed you to.
> 
> We export the *value* of PG_hwpoison in the ELF file, therefore the
> *value* can change, but the *location* (page_flags, mapcount, whatever)
> must not change. Or am I missing something here? I don't think we can
> move PG_hwpoison that easily.
> 
> Also, I can read "For pages that are never mapped to userspace,
> page->mapcount may be used for storing extra information about page
> type" - is that true for PG_hwpoison/PG_reserved? I am skeptical.
> 
> And we need something similar for PG_offline, because it will become
> ABI. (I can see that PAGE_BUDDY_MAPCOUNT_VALUE is also exported in an
> ELF file, so maybe a new page type might work for marking a page offline
> - but I have to look at the details first tomorrow)

Wait wait wait. Who is relying on this? Kdump? Page flags have always
been an internal implementation detail and _nobody_ outside of the
kernel should ever rely on the specific value. Well, kdump has been
cheating but that is because kdump is inherently tight to a specific
kernel implementation but that doesn't make it a stable ABI IMHO.
Restricting the kernel internals because of a debugging tool would be
quite insane.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-29 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20180413131632.1413-1-david@redhat.com>
2018-04-13 13:16 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] mm/memory_hotplug: Revert "mm/memory_hotplug: optimize memory hotplug" David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:16 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] mm: introduce PG_offline David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:40   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-13 13:46     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-17 11:50     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 17:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-16  8:31     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-21 16:52     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-22  3:01       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-22  8:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-22 14:02           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-22 15:13             ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-29 21:08               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-04-30  6:31                 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-20  7:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:16 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] mm: use PG_offline in online/offlining code David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:31 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] kdump: expose PG_offline David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:33 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] mm: only mark section offline when all pages are offline David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:33 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] mm: offline_pages() is also limited by MAX_ORDER David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:33 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] mm: allow to control onlining/offlining of memory by a driver David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 15:59   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-13 16:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-13 13:33 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] mm: export more functions used to online/offline memory David Hildenbrand

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