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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/18] wait: wait.h: Get rid of a kernel-doc/Sphinx warnings
Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 17:20:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180509152026.GA12198@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180509084518.247650e2@lwn.net>

On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 08:45:18AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2018 10:41:20 +0200
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> > > This is easily done by using "::" instead of just ":".  
> > 
> > And I'll voice my objection once again. This makes a regular comment
> > worse. This rst stuff is utter shit for making normal text files less
> > readable in your favourite text editor.
> > 
> > If this gets merged, I'll simply remove that spurious ':' the next time
> > I'm near that comment.
> 
> Seriously, Peter?

Yep... it makes for pointlessly ugly text. And seeing that the only way
to write code is using text editors, the text editor is the primary
interface to our code.

The whole rst wankery is detrimental to that interface in order to
pander to something else.. I don't see the value. I've objected before,
and I suppose I'll object again.

> It's a simple colon.  It goes along with the /** marker for kerneldoc
> comments and the @ markers found within them, both of which you seem to
> have found a way to live with.

Barely, and personally I tend to not bother with kerneldoc much. Most of
the comments I write lack the extra *, and I note that the other fix to
this problem it to drop that spurious * here as well.

The @arg thing is okay, it clearly distinguishes arguments/variable
names from regular text. But "::" is the C++ class member syntax, not
the start of an English enumeration or the like.

> The RST work was discussed for a year before we even started.  It has
> brought in the efforts of a large number of developers, all of whom see
> the value in actually caring about our documentation and making it
> accessible to a much larger group of readers.  And it has all happened
> while preserving the primacy of the plain-text documentation.

Clearly I don't agree. It reads like crap. I suspect many of the other
options, which I suppose there were, were even worse. Doesn't mean rst
is any good.

> You're not the only consumer of the docs.  You may not appreciate the
> improvements that have come, but others certainly do.  I do hope that you
> can find it in youself to avoid vandalizing things for everybody else ...?

Why should I care for people not using text editors to write code?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-09 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-07  9:35 [PATCH 00/18] Fix some build warnings/errors with Sphinx Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 01/18] docs: can.rst: fix a footnote reference Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 18:41   ` Oliver Hartkopp
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 02/18] docs: fix location of request_firmware & friends Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08  3:07   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-08 15:49   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-05-09 12:26     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 03/18] docs: */index.rst: Add newer documents to their respective index.rst Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08  3:07   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-08 15:59   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 04/18] docs: admin-guide: add bcache documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08 16:01   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 05/18] docs: core-api: add cachetlb documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 12:29   ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-08 14:40     ` Jani Nikula
2018-05-08 16:02       ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-08 16:28         ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-08 18:05       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08 18:28         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08 19:05           ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-08 16:04   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-08 16:51     ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 06/18] docs: core-api: add cgroup-v2 documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08 15:51   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-09 12:02     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 07/18] docs: core-api: add circular-buffers documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 12:31   ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-08 16:08   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 08/18] docs: driver-api: add clk documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08  3:07   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-08 16:10   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 09/18] net: mac80211.h: fix a bad comment line Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 12:37   ` Kalle Valo
2018-05-07 12:38     ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-09 12:04       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09 12:04         ` Johannes Berg
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 10/18] rcu: rcupdate.h: get rid of Sphinx warnings at rcu_pointer_handoff() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 14:23   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-05-09 11:55     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-14 19:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 11/18] docs: crypto_engine.rst: Fix two parse warnings Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 12/18] time: timer.c: adjust a kernel-doc comment Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-13 14:00   ` [tip:timers/core] timers: Adjust " tip-bot for Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 13/18] wait: wait.h: Get rid of a kernel-doc/Sphinx warnings Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09  8:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-09 14:45     ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-09 15:20       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-05-09 18:35         ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-09 18:50           ` Markus Heiser
2018-05-09 19:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-10 12:23       ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-10 13:15         ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-10 16:52           ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-10 17:45             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-10  8:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-10  9:38     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-10 12:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-10 13:04         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-10 13:30       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-10 13:31         ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-10 14:21         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-10 15:38           ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-10 16:42             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-10 17:14               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-11  7:06               ` Markus Heiser
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 14/18] fbdev: modedb.c: fix a kernel-doc markup Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-15 10:22   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 15/18] iio: iio.h: use nested struct support on " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07 17:08   ` Jonathan Cameron
2018-05-09 12:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 16/18] mtd: rawnand.h: use nested union kernel-doc markups Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-07  9:46   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-07 11:32     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09 12:02       ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 12:10       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09 12:22         ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-09 13:28           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09 15:56   ` Boris Brezillon
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 17/18] docs: uio-howto.rst: use a code block to solve a warning Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08  3:07   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-07  9:35 ` [PATCH 18/18] w1: w1_io.c: fix a kernel-doc warning Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-08 11:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2018-05-09 12:32     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-05-09 13:11       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-10 10:37         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2018-05-08 16:13 ` [PATCH 00/18] Fix some build warnings/errors with Sphinx Jonathan Corbet
2018-05-08 17:36   ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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