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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Intel Graphics Development <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RFC: console: hack up console_lock more v3
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 15:36:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190509133647.GX2623@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uGuOFGEuw1m_fiBfGbAEY0eeoDEFtP7Htt8-RCzD66MGw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 03:06:09PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:31 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 02:09:03PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > Fix this by creating a prinkt_safe_up() which calls wake_up_process
> > > outside of the spinlock. This isn't correct in full generality, but
> > > good enough for console_lock:
> > >
> > > - console_lock doesn't use interruptible or killable or timeout down()
> > >   calls, hence an up() is the only thing that can wake up a process.
> >
> > Wrong :/ Any task can be woken at any random time. We must, at all
> > times, assume spurious wakeups will happen.
> 
> Out of curiosity, where do these come from? I know about the races
> where you need to recheck on the waiter side to avoid getting stuck,
> but didn't know about this. Are these earlier (possibly spurious)
> wakeups that got held up and delayed for a while, then hit the task
> much later when it's already continued doing something else?

Yes, this. So they all more or less have the form:

CPU0		CPU1

		enqueue_waiter()
done = true;
if (waiters)
		for (;;) {
		  if (done)
		    break;

		  ...
		}

		dequeue_waiter()

		do something else again

  wake_up_task
		<gets wakeup>


The wake_q thing made the above much more common, but we've had it
forever.

> Or even
> more random, and even if I never put a task on a wait list or anything
> else, ever, it can get woken spuriously?

I had patches that did that on purpose, but no.

> > Something like the below might work.
> 
> Yeah that looks like the proper fix. I guess semaphores are uncritical
> enough that we can roll this out for everyone. Thanks for the hint.

It's actually an optimization that we never did because semaphores are
so uncritical :-)

The thing is, by delaying the wakup until after we've released the
spinlock, the waiter will not contend on the spinlock the moment it
wakes.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-09 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-09 12:09 Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 12:21 ` Chris Wilson
2019-05-09 12:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-09 13:06   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 13:36     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-05-09 14:56 ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-09 16:43   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10  9:15     ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10  9:51       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10 15:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 20:06 ` [PATCH] kernel/locking/semaphore: use wake_q in up() Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10  5:50   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-05-10  7:51     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10  9:28   ` Petr Mladek
2019-05-10 15:20     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-15 11:53       ` Petr Mladek

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