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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Evan Green <evgreen@chromium.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, Alex Shi <alexs@kernel.org>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: Enable suspend-only swap spaces
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:10:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210727121009.GC32265@duo.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE=gft5L062V_xE+Nj5UqNrjK9ET6PPtekJpnurzPGobWjpeUQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi!

> > > If I have
> > > different security designs for swap space and hibernate, then even a
> > > chance of some swap leaking into this region is a problem.
> >
> > Could you expand some more about the this part please?
> 
> Offline attacks (ie manipulating storage from underneath the machine)
> are a major concern when enabling both swap and hibernate. But the
> approach of adding integrity to mitigate offline attacks may differ
> between swap and hibernate in the interest of performance. Swap for
> instance essentially needs a per-page dictionary of hashes for
> integrity, since pages can be added and removed arbitrarily. Hibernate
> however just needs a single hash across the entire image to provide
> integrity. If you have swap leaking onto a region where you don't have
> integrity enabled (because say you handled integrity at the image
> level for hibernate, and at the block layer for swap), your swap
> integrity story is compromised.

If you want to encrypt/sign the hibernation, you likely should use
uswsusp, and that means you can store hibernation image where (and
how) you want it, without modifying kernel.

See kernel/power/user.c .

> I don't think this digs the design hole deeper. Yes, the ship on this
> design has long ago sailed. But if we ever did try to dig ourselves
> out of the swap/hibernate hole by providing new APIs to handle them
> separately, this flag would serve as a good cutover to divert out of
> the swap code and into the new shiny hibernate-only code. The APIs are
> never going to be totally disentangled, so a clean cutover opportunity
> is the best one can hope for.

Is uswsusp the place that should provide clean cutover?

Anyway, I acked the patch before, but it looks like it was
mistake. I withdraw the ack.

Best regards,
								Pavel

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      reply	other threads:[~2021-07-27 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-09 17:50 Evan Green
2021-07-09 22:20 ` Andrew Morton
2021-07-09 23:23   ` Evan Green
2021-07-09 23:33     ` Andrew Morton
2021-07-12 21:36       ` Evan Green
2021-07-12  7:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-07-12  7:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-14  5:43     ` Michal Hocko
2021-07-14  7:51       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-14  8:00         ` Michal Hocko
2021-07-27 12:04         ` Pavel Machek
2021-07-27 12:19           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-27 12:01     ` Pavel Machek
2021-07-12 21:32   ` Evan Green
2021-07-14  5:41     ` Michal Hocko
2021-07-14 22:39       ` Evan Green
2021-07-27 12:10         ` Pavel Machek [this message]

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