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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: joro@8bytes.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com,
	baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, john.garry@huawei.com,
	dianders@chromium.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 23/24] iommu/arm-smmu: Allow non-strict in pgtable_quirks interface
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 13:35:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210803123548.GA30932@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <529750e7-89a0-cfb7-8cef-36bb78b06340@arm.com>

On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 01:13:12PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 2021-08-03 11:36, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Overall, I'm really nervous about the concurrency here and think we'd be
> > better off requiring the unbind as we have for the other domain changes.
> 
> Sure, the dynamic switch is what makes it ultimately work for Doug's
> use-case (where the unbind isn't viable), but I had every expectation that
> we might need to hold back those two patches for much deeper consideration.
> It's no accident that the first 22 patches can still be usefully applied
> without them!

Oh, the rest of the series looks great which is why I jumped on this bit!

> In all honesty I don't really like this particular patch much, mostly
> because I increasingly dislike IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_NON_STRICT at all, but since
> the interface was there it made it super easy to prove the concept. I have a
> more significant refactoring of the io-pgtable code sketched out in my mind
> already, it's just going to be more work.

Intriguing... Move the smp_wmb() into the IOVA code instead?

> > With your changes, I think quite a few things can go wrong.
> > 
> >    * cookie->fq_domain may be observed but iovad->fq could be NULL
> 
> Good point, I guess that already technically applies (if iovad->fq sat in a
> write buffer long enough), but it certainly becomes far easier to provoke.
> However a barrier after assigning fq_domain (as mentioned above) paired with
> the control dependency around the queue_iova() call would also fix that,
> right?
> 
> >    * We can miss the smp_wmb() in the pgtable code but end up deferring the
> >      IOVA reclaim
> >    * iommu_change_dev_def_domain() only holds the group mutex afaict, so can
> >      possibly run concurrently with itself on the same domain?
> >    * iommu_dma_init_fq() can flip the domain type back from
> >      IOMMU_DOMAIN_DMA_FQ to IOMMU_DOMAIN_DMA on the error path
> >    * set_pgtable_quirks() isn't atomic, which probably is ok for now, but the
> >      moment we use it anywhere else it's dangerous
> 
> In other words, IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_NON_STRICT is definitely the problem. I'll
> have a hack on that this afternoon, and if it starts to look rabbit-holey
> I'll split this bit off and post v3 of the rest of the series.
> 
> If all the io-pgtable and fq behaviour for a given call could be consistent
> based on a single READ_ONCE(cookie->fq_domain) in iommu_dma_unmap(), do you
> see any remaining issues other than the point above?

I'd have to see the patches, and I didn't look exhaustively at the current
stuff. But yes, I think the basic flow needs to be that there is an atomic
flag (i.e. cookie->fq_domain) which indicates which mode is being used
and if you flip that concurrently then you need to guarantee that everybody
is either using the old more or the new mode and not some halfway state in
between.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-03 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-28 15:58 [PATCH v2 00/24] iommu: Refactor DMA domain strictness Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 01/24] iommu: Pull IOVA cookie management into the core Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:06   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:32   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 02/24] iommu/amd: Drop IOVA cookie management Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 03/24] iommu/arm-smmu: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 04/24] iommu/vt-d: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:07   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 05/24] iommu/exynos: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 06/24] iommu/ipmmu-vmsa: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 07/24] iommu/mtk: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 08/24] iommu/rockchip: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 09/24] iommu/sprd: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 10/24] iommu/sun50i: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 11/24] iommu/virtio: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  9:20   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 12/24] iommu/dma: Unexport " Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:07   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:21   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 13/24] iommu/dma: Remove redundant "!dev" checks Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:08   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 14/24] iommu: Introduce explicit type for non-strict DMA domains Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:08   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:23   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 15/24] iommu/amd: Prepare for multiple DMA domain types Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 16/24] iommu/arm-smmu: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 17/24] iommu/vt-d: " Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:09   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 18/24] iommu: Express DMA strictness via the domain type Robin Murphy
2021-07-29  7:13   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-29  9:36     ` Robin Murphy
2021-07-29 12:42       ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  6:09       ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 19/24] iommu: Expose DMA domain strictness via sysfs Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:10   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:28   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-30 10:20   ` John Garry
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 20/24] iommu: Merge strictness and domain type configs Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:10   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:29   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-30  9:33   ` John Garry
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 21/24] iommu/dma: Factor out flush queue init Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:11   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:20   ` John Garry
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 22/24] iommu: Allow enabling non-strict mode dynamically Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  6:11   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-30  9:24   ` John Garry
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 23/24] iommu/arm-smmu: Allow non-strict in pgtable_quirks interface Robin Murphy
2021-08-02 13:04   ` Will Deacon
2021-08-02 14:15     ` Robin Murphy
2021-08-03 10:36       ` Will Deacon
2021-08-03 12:13         ` Robin Murphy
2021-08-03 12:35           ` Will Deacon [this message]
2021-07-28 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 24/24] iommu: Only log strictness for DMA domains Robin Murphy
2021-07-29  9:04   ` John Garry
2021-07-30  6:12   ` Lu Baolu
2021-07-29  2:55 ` [PATCH v2 00/24] iommu: Refactor DMA domain strictness chenxiang (M)
2021-07-29 10:59   ` Robin Murphy
2021-07-30  1:21     ` chenxiang (M)
2021-07-29 15:04 ` Heiko Stübner
2021-07-29 15:43   ` Robin Murphy
2021-07-29 15:53     ` Heiko Stübner
2021-07-29 16:29       ` Robin Murphy
2021-07-29 22:33 ` Doug Anderson
2021-07-30  0:06   ` Doug Anderson

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