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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] xfs: new code for 5.15
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 10:43:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210902174311.GG9942@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whyVPgkAfARB7gMjLEyu0kSxmb6qpqfuE_r6QstAzgHcA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 08:47:42AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 2:18 PM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > As for new features: we now batch inode inactivations in percpu
> > background threads, which sharply decreases frontend thread wait time
> > when performing file deletions and should improve overall directory tree
> > deletion times.
> 
> So no complaints on this one, but I do have a reaction: we have a lot
> of these random CPU hotplug events, and XFS now added another one.
> 
> I don't see that as a problem, but just the _randomness_ of these
> callbacks makes me go "hmm". And that "enum cpuhp_state" thing isn't
> exactly a thing of beauty, and just makes me think there's something
> nasty going on.
> 
> For the new xfs usage, I really get the feeling that it's not that XFS
> actually cares about the CPU states, but that this is literally tied
> to just having percpu state allocated and active, and that maybe it
> would be sensible to have something more specific to that kind of use.

Correct -- we don't really care about cpu state at all; all xfs needs is
to push batched work items on a per-cpu list to another cpu when a cpu
goes offline.  I didn't see anything that looked like it handled that
kind of thing, so ... cpuhp_state it was. :/

> We have other things that are very similar in nature - like the page
> allocator percpu caches etc, which for very similar reasons want cpu
> dead/online notification.
> 
> I'm only throwing this out as a reaction to this - I'm not sure
> another interface would be good or worthwhile, but that "enum
> cpuhp_state" is ugly enough that I thought I'd rope in Thomas for CPU
> hotplug, and the percpu memory allocation people for comments.
> 
> IOW, just _maybe_ we would want to have some kind of callback model
> for "percpu_alloc()" and it being explicitly about allocations
> becoming available or going away, rather than about CPU state.
> 
> Comments?

Seems like a good fit for us, though I'll let Dave Chinner chime in
since he's the one with more per-cpu list patches coming up.

> > Lastly, with this release, two new features have graduated to supported
> > status: inode btree counters (for faster mounts), and support for dates
> > beyond Y2038.
> 
> Oh, I had thought Y2038 was already a non-issue for xfs. Silly me.

It's been a new feature in upstream for a year now.  We're merely taking
down the scary warnings that using this new code might result in a
subspace vortex opening in the skies or that all trains bound for
Moynihan end up on track 19 or wherever. ;)

--D

>               Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-02 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-31 21:18 Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-02 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-02 17:43   ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2021-09-02 22:35     ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-03  6:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-05  0:21         ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-05 23:28           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-06  2:11             ` Randy Dunlap
2021-09-06  9:42               ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-02 19:13   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-03  4:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-03 18:40   ` Dennis Zhou
2021-09-02 17:37 ` pr-tracker-bot

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