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From: Huang Rui <ray.huang@amd.com>
To: "Fontenot, Nathan" <Nathan.Fontenot@amd.com>
Cc: "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Sharma, Deepak" <Deepak.Sharma@amd.com>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher@amd.com>,
	"Limonciello, Mario" <Mario.Limonciello@amd.com>,
	"Su, Jinzhou (Joe)" <Jinzhou.Su@amd.com>,
	"Du, Xiaojian" <Xiaojian.Du@amd.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/19] cpufreq: amd: introduce a new amd pstate driver to support future processors
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:18:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210913111828.GD3731830@hr-amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c9601b78-10ce-e4c1-6056-3d1922c0ed41@amd.com>

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 03:31:26AM +0800, Fontenot, Nathan wrote:
> 
> On 9/8/2021 9:59 AM, Huang Rui wrote:
> > amd-pstate is the AMD CPU performance scaling driver that introduces a
> > new CPU frequency control mechanism on AMD Zen based CPU series in Linux
> > kernel. The new mechanism is based on Collaborative processor
> > performance control (CPPC) which is finer grain frequency management
> > than legacy ACPI hardware P-States. Current AMD CPU platforms are using
> > the ACPI P-states driver to manage CPU frequency and clocks with
> > switching only in 3 P-states. AMD P-States is to replace the ACPI
> > P-states controls, allows a flexible, low-latency interface for the
> > Linux kernel to directly communicate the performance hints to hardware.
> >
> 
> This patch seems like it is just enabling CPPC on AMD and not a new mechanism
> based on CPPC. Can you clarify?
> 
> Also, if this is just enabling CPPC, shouldn't the driver be named something
> like amd_cppc and not amd_pstate? This isn't using P-states.

That's just a name. We use the "amd-pstate" to indicate the new driver that
use the kernel governors such as schedutil and others for frequency
control. And "amd_cppc" indicates the legacy solution with userspace tool
for frequency control.

>  
> > "amd-pstate" leverages the Linux kernel governors such as *schedutil*,
> > *ondemand*, etc. to manage the performance hints which are provided by CPPC
> > hardware functionality. The first version for amd-pstate is to support one
> > of the Zen3 processors, and we will support more in future after we verify
> > the hardware and SBIOS functionalities.
> > 
> > There are two types of hardware implementations for amd-pstate: one is full
> > MSR support and another is shared memory support. It can use
> > X86_FEATURE_AMD_CPPC_EXT feature flag to distinguish the different types.
> >
> 
> Looking at the drivers/acpi code for CPPC I don't think this distinction
> between MSRs and shared memory requires a feature flag. Shouldn't this be
> handled properly in cpc_read|write if the ACPI tables are set up correctly?
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.

MSR registers can be used for implementing the fast switch function which
has the better performance on schedutil and other governors.

> 
> This would also remove the need for the additional indirection pointed
> out by Peter.
> 
> Could you also provide an explanation as to why a new CPPC driver is need
> instead of updating the existing cppc_cpufreq driver.
> 

Good question, I had explained these in last mail with Peter.

Thanks,
Ray

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-13 11:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-08 14:59 [PATCH 00/19] cpufreq: introduce a new AMD CPU frequency control mechanism Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 01/19] x86/cpufreatures: add AMD CPPC extension feature flag Huang Rui
2021-09-08 20:00   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-09  9:45     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-09 17:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-13  9:48     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-13 13:04       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-16  9:30         ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 02/19] x86/msr: add AMD CPPC MSR definitions Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 03/19] ACPI: CPPC: add cppc enable register function Huang Rui
2021-09-08 19:14   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-09  9:50     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-09  0:21   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-09  9:58     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 04/19] cpufreq: amd: introduce a new amd pstate driver to support future processors Huang Rui
2021-09-09 15:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-13  8:11     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-13  8:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-13 10:54         ` Huang Rui
2021-09-13 11:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-16 10:09             ` Huang Rui
2021-09-16 11:19               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-09-17  3:41                 ` Huang Rui
2021-09-09 15:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-13 11:55     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-09 19:31   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-13 11:18     ` Huang Rui [this message]
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 05/19] cpufreq: amd: add fast switch function for amd-pstate module Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 06/19] cpufreq: amd: add acpi cppc function as the backend for legacy processors Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 07/19] cpufreq: amd: add trace for amd-pstate module Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 08/19] cpufreq: amd: add boost mode support for amd-pstate Huang Rui
2021-09-08 18:24   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-09 10:12     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 09/19] cpufreq: amd: add amd-pstate checking support check attribute Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 10/19] cpufreq: amd: add amd-pstate frequencies attributes Huang Rui
2021-09-08 18:13   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 11/19] cpufreq: amd: add amd-pstate performance attributes Huang Rui
2021-09-08 18:20   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 12/19] cpupower: add AMD P-state capability flag Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 13/19] cpupower: add the function to check amd-pstate enabled Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:16   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-13 11:29     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 14/19] cpupower: initial AMD P-state capability Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:16   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-13 12:58     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 15/19] cpupower: add amd-pstate sysfs entries into libcpufreq Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:26   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-16  8:47     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 16/19] cpupower: enable boost state support for amd-pstate module Huang Rui
2021-09-08 17:32   ` Fontenot, Nathan
2021-09-09  9:59     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:42   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-16  9:27     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 14:59 ` [PATCH 17/19] cpupower: add amd-pstate get data function to query the info Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:45   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-08 15:00 ` [PATCH 18/19] cpupower: print amd-pstate information on cpupower Huang Rui
2021-09-09 22:46   ` Shuah Khan
2021-09-16  9:29     ` Huang Rui
2021-09-08 15:00 ` [PATCH 19/19] Documentation: amd-pstate: add amd-pstate driver introduction Huang Rui

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