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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: rcu/tree: Protect rcu_rdp_is_offloaded() invocations on RT
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:10:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210922111012.GA106513@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210922063208.ltf7sdou4tr5yrnc@linutronix.de>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:32:08AM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2021-09-22 01:45:18 [+0200], Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > 
> > Also while at it, I'm asking again: traditionally softirqs could assume that
> > manipulating a local state was safe against !irq_count() code fiddling with
> > the same state on the same CPU.
> > 
> > Now with preemptible softirqs, that assumption can be broken anytime. RCU was
> > fortunate enough to have a warning for that. But who knows how many issues like
> > this are lurking?
> 
> If "local state" is modified then it is safe as long as it is modified
> within a local_bh_disable() section. And we are in this section while
> invoking a forced-threaded interrupt. The special part about RCU is
> that it is used in_irq() as part of core-code.

But local_bh_disable() was deemed for protecting from interrupting softirqs,
not the other way around (softirqs being preempted by other tasks). The latter
semantic is new and nobody had that in mind until softirqs have been made
preemptible.

For example:

                             CPU 0
          -----------------------------------------------
          SOFTIRQ                            RANDOM TASK
          ------                             -----------
          int *X = &per_cpu(CPUX, 0)         int *X = &per_cpu(CPUX, 0)
          int A, B;                          WRITE_ONCE(*X, 0);
                                             WRITE_ONCE(*X, 1);
          A = READ_ONCE(*X);
          B = READ_ONCE(*X);


We used to have the guarantee that A == B. That's not true anymore. Now
some new explicit local_bh_disable() should be carefully placed on RANDOM_TASK
where it wasn't necessary before. RCU is not that special in this regard.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-11 20:13 [PATCH v3 0/4] rcu, arm64: PREEMPT_RT fixlets Valentin Schneider
2021-08-11 20:13 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] rcutorture: Don't disable softirqs with preemption disabled when PREEMPT_RT Valentin Schneider
2021-08-12 16:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-17 12:13   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-17 13:17     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-17 14:40       ` [PATCH] rcutorture: Avoid problematic critical section nesting on RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-18 22:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-19 15:35           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-19 15:39           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-19 15:47             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-19 18:20               ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-19 18:45                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-20  4:11                 ` Scott Wood
2021-08-20  7:11                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-20  7:42                   ` [PATCH v2] rcutorture: Avoid problematic critical section nesting on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-20 22:10                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-20  3:23         ` [PATCH] rcutorture: Avoid problematic critical section nesting on RT Scott Wood
2021-08-20  6:54           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-11 20:13 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] sched: Introduce migratable() Valentin Schneider
2021-08-17 14:43   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-22 17:31     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-08-17 17:09   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-17 19:30     ` Phil Auld
2021-08-22 18:14     ` Valentin Schneider
2022-01-26 16:56       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-01-26 18:10         ` Valentin Schneider
2022-01-27 10:07           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-01-27 18:23             ` Valentin Schneider
2022-01-27 19:27         ` Valentin Schneider
2022-02-04  9:24           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-11 20:13 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] rcu/nocb: Protect NOCB state via local_lock() under PREEMPT_RT Valentin Schneider
2021-08-13  0:20   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-08-13 18:48     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-08-24 13:00     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-08-17 15:36   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-08-22 18:15     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-09-21 14:05   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-21 21:12     ` rcu/tree: Protect rcu_rdp_is_offloaded() invocations on RT Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-21 23:36       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-22  2:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-22 11:31           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-21 23:45       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-22  6:32         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-09-22 11:10           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2021-09-22 11:27             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-09-22 11:38               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-22 13:02                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-09-23 10:02                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-30  9:00       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-09-30 10:53         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2021-09-30 13:22           ` Valentin Schneider
2021-08-11 20:13 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] arm64: mm: Make arch_faults_on_old_pte() check for migratability Valentin Schneider

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