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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
Cc: "sgarzare@redhat.com" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"kys@microsoft.com" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Yamahata, Isaku" <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] hypercall-vsock: add a new vsock transport
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 05:50:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211110054121-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <71d7b0463629471e9d4887d7fcef1d8d@intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 07:12:36AM +0000, Wang, Wei W wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> We plan to add a new vsock transport based on hypercall (e.g. vmcall on Intel
> CPUs).
> 
> It transports AF_VSOCK packets between the guest and host, which is similar to
> 
> virtio-vsock, vmci-vsock and hyperv-vsock.
> 
>  
> 
> Compared to the above listed vsock transports which are designed for high
> performance,
> 
> the main advantages of hypercall-vsock are:
> 
> 1)       It is VMM agnostic. For example, one guest working on hypercall-vsock
> can run on
> 
> either KVM, Hyperv, or VMware.

hypercalls are fundamentally hypervisor dependent though.
Assuming you can carve up a hypervisor independent hypercall,
using it for something as mundane and specific as vsock for TDX
seems like a huge overkill. For example, virtio could benefit from
faster vmexits that hypercalls give you for signalling.
How about a combination of virtio-mmio and hypercalls for fast-path
signalling then?

> 2)       It is simpler. It doesn’t rely on any complex bus enumeration
> 
> (e.g. virtio-pci based vsock device may need the whole implementation of PCI).
> 

Next thing people will try to do is implement a bunch of other device on
top of it.  virtio used pci simply because everyone implements pci.  And
the reason for *that* is because implementing a basic pci bus is dead
simple, whole of pci.c in qemu is <3000 LOC.

> 
> An example usage is the communication between MigTD and host (Page 8 at
> 
> https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kvmforum2021/ef/
> TDX%20Live%20Migration_Wei%20Wang.pdf).
> 
> MigTD communicates to host to assist the migration of the target (user) TD.
> 
> MigTD is part of the TCB, so its implementation is expected to be as simple as
> possible
> 
> (e.g. bare mental implementation without OS, no PCI driver support).
> 
>  

Try to list drawbacks? For example, passthrough for nested virt
isn't possible unlike pci, neither are hardware implementations.


> Looking forward to your feedbacks.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wei
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-10 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <71d7b0463629471e9d4887d7fcef1d8d@intel.com>
2021-11-10  9:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-11-11  8:02   ` Wang, Wei W
2021-11-10 10:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-11-11  7:58   ` Wang, Wei W
2021-11-11 15:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-11-25  6:37     ` Jason Wang
2021-11-25  8:43       ` Wang, Wei W
2021-11-25 12:04         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2021-11-10 11:17 ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-11-10 21:45   ` Paraschiv, Andra-Irina
2021-11-11  8:14   ` Wang, Wei W
2021-11-11  8:24     ` Paolo Bonzini

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