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From: Fangrui Song <>
To: Elliot Berman <>
Cc: Nick Desaulniers <>,
	Masahiro Yamada <>,
	Michal Marek <>,
	Nathan Chancellor <>,
	Matthias Maennich <>,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kbuild: Add environment variables for userprogs flags
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:10:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
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On 2022-01-28, Elliot Berman wrote:
>Hi Fangrui,
>On 1/27/2022 7:15 PM, Fangrui Song wrote:
>>On 2022-01-26, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
>>>On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:44 PM Elliot Berman 
>>><> wrote:
>>>>Allow additional arguments be passed to userprogs compilation.
>>>>Reproducible clang builds need to provide a sysroot and gcc path to
>>>>ensure same toolchain is used across hosts. KCFLAGS is not currently
>>>>used for any user programs compilation, so add new USERCFLAGS and
>>>>USERLDFLAGS which serves similar purpose as HOSTCFLAGS/HOSTLDFLAGS.
>>>>Specifically, I'm trying to force CC_CAN_LINK to consistently fail in
>>>>an environment where a user sysroot is not specifically available.
>>>>Currently, Clang might automatically detect GCC installation on hosts
>>>>which have it installed to a default location in /. With addition of
>>>>these environment variables, our build environment can do like
>>>>"--sysroot=/dev/null" to force sysroot detection to fail.
>>>Hi Elliot,
>>>Thanks for the patch! Sorry for the delay in reviewing; I didn't quite
>>>get around to it then went on vacation for a week.  Things get buried
>>>in my inbox quickly; feel free to ping me if a week goes by with no
>>>response on whichever channel works best for you.
>>>I'm happy with the intent of this patch; GNU binutils has been removed
>>>from Android, so supporting CC_CAN_LINK for Android kernel builds has
>>>been a question I've been thinking about (though, not with higher
>>>priority with some of our other issues), since we'll need to either
>>>incorporate musl or bionic libc into our kernel build.  I was thinking
>>>of adding a SYSROOT command line variable for that, but I see your
>>>approach is more flexible.
>>>One minor nit below, a typo, a few questions, and in the commit
>>>message, but this generally LGTM.
>>>For the commit message, I think it would be good to expand `can do
>>>like "--sysroot=/dev/null"` fully into
>>>can specify
>>>$ make USERCFLAGS=--sysroot=/dev/null USERLDFLAGS=-Wl,--sysroot=/dev/null
>>Is -Wl,--sysroot=/dev/null to override a -Wl,--sysroot specified
>>previously on the command line?
>--sysroot isn't specified previously on the commandline for Android 
>kernel builds. Clang is falling back to sysroot detection based on 
>common installation paths, and we want to effectively disable that for 
>reproducible builds.

OK, the default sysroot in Clang is empty (can be overridden if one configures
llvm-project with -DDEFAULT_SYSROOT=/some/path)

Clang detects GCC installations in this order

   if (OPT_gcc_toolchain)
     prefixes = {OPT_gcc_toolchain};
     prefixes = {OPT_sysroot/usr, OPT_sysroot};
   for prefix in prefixes
     if "$prefix/lib/gcc" exists

If --gcc-toolchain is unspecified and --sysroot=/dev/null, there will be no selected GCC installation,
and we will not get -L search paths like -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, -L/lib, etc.
(-nostdlib does not suppress -L)

So perhaps the change is to update Nick's suggestion

$ make USERCFLAGS=--sysroot=/dev/null USERLDFLAGS=-Wl,--sysroot=/dev/null


$ make USERCFLAGS=--sysroot=/dev/null USERLDFLAGS=--sysroot=/dev/null

We can compare the differences of
clang --sysroot=/dev/null -xc /dev/null '-###' |& sed -E 's/ "?-[iIL]/\n&/g'
clang -Wl,--sysroot=/dev/null -xc /dev/null '-###' |& sed -E 's/ "?-[iIL]/\n&/g'

>I believe this was introduced in Clang 13 [1], but it might also be a 
>change in AOSP Clang's prebuilt. I wasn't able to get clear picture of 
>what changed in Clang. Android12-5.10 builds which use Clang 12 are 

Yeah, I added this note in
Looks like the note isn't exactly clear/correct.
The exact semantics of -B (--prefix) are:

* Search $prefix$file for executables, libraries, and data files. If $prefix is a directory, search $prefix/$file .

These files include as (if -fno-integrated-as), ld, Scrt1.o, etc.

Clang used to search $prefix/$triple-$file as well but I removed the rule in 2020.

Hope that I did not deviate the topic too much. Just want to add some details which may be useful for your patch :)

>>The driver option --sysroot does two things:
>>* Decide include/library search paths (e.g. $sysroot/usr/include, 
>>* Pass --sysroot to ld.
>>In ld, it means: if a linker script is in the sysroot directory, 
>>when ld opens an
>>absolute path file (via INPUT or GROUP), add sysroot before the 
>>absolute path.
>>In ld, --sysroot=/dev/null is not different --sysroot= (empty value).
>>>>Signed-off-by: Elliot Berman <>
>>>> Documentation/kbuild/kbuild.rst | 8 ++++++++
>>>> Makefile                        | 9 ++++++---
>>>> init/Kconfig                    | 8 ++++----
>>>> usr/include/Makefile            | 3 +++
>>>> 4 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>>>>diff --git a/Documentation/kbuild/kbuild.rst 
>>>>index 2d1fc03d346e..16e90a3ae01b 100644
>>>>--- a/Documentation/kbuild/kbuild.rst
>>>>+++ b/Documentation/kbuild/kbuild.rst
>>>>@@ -77,6 +77,14 @@ HOSTLDLIBS
>>>> ----------
>>>> Additional libraries to link against when building host programs.
>>>>+Additional options used for $(CC) when compiling userprogs.
>>>>+Additional options used for $(LD) when linking userprogs.
>>>Probably should note the necessity of `-Wl,` prefixes here.
>>>Is `userprogs` cannonical? Yeah, I guess (reading
>>>Documentation/kbuild/makefiles.rst). I wonder if we should mention
>>>these in Documentation/kbuild/makefiles.rst as well? Under `5.3
>>>Controlling compiler options for userspace programs`.
>>>> --------------
>>>> Set the top-level Kconfig file to the value of this environment
>>>>diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
>>>>index 45278d508d81..4a55537c8ca0 100644
>>>>--- a/Makefile
>>>>+++ b/Makefile
>>>>@@ -431,15 +431,17 @@ HOSTCC    = gcc
>>>> HOSTCXX        = g++
>>>> endif
>>>>-export KBUILD_USERCFLAGS := -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes 
>>>>-Wstrict-prototypes \
>>>>-                             -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -std=gnu89
>>>>+KBUILD_USERCFLAGS := -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes \
>>>>+                    -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -std=gnu89
>>>^ I think there's an extra G in USERLDFLAGS above.
>>>Since you added USERLDFLAGS to KBUILD_USERLDFLAGS above where it's
>>>defined, why not do so for USERCFLAGS/KBUILD_USERCFLAGS as well?
>>>> # Make variables (CC, etc...)
>>>> CPP            = $(CC) -E
>>>> ifneq ($(LLVM),)
>>>>@@ -530,6 +532,7 @@ export CPP AR NM STRIP OBJCOPY OBJDUMP 
>>>>diff --git a/init/Kconfig b/init/Kconfig
>>>>index f2ae41e6717f..164706c38e8b 100644
>>>>--- a/init/Kconfig
>>>>+++ b/init/Kconfig
>>>>@@ -62,13 +62,13 @@ config LLD_VERSION
>>>> config CC_CAN_LINK
>>>>        bool
>>>>-       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(m64-flag)) if 64BIT
>>>>-       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(m32-flag))
>>>>+       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(USERCFLAGS) $(USERLDFLAGS) $(m64-flag)) 
>>>>if 64BIT
>>>>+       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(USERCFLAGS) $(USERLDFLAGS) $(m32-flag))
>>>> config CC_CAN_LINK_STATIC
>>>>        bool
>>>>-       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(m64-flag) -static) if 64BIT
>>>>-       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(m32-flag) -static)
>>>>+       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(USERCFLAGS) $(USERLDFLAGS) $(m64-flag) 
>>>>-static) if 64BIT
>>>>+       default $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ 
>>>>$(CC) $(CLANG_FLAGS) $(USERCFLAGS) $(USERLDFLAGS) $(m32-flag) 
>>>since USERLDFLAGS get passed to $(CC), they will need `-Wl`, prefixes,
>>>hence the request for expanding the example usage in the commit
>>>> config CC_HAS_ASM_GOTO
>>>>        def_bool $(success,$(srctree)/scripts/ $(CC))
>>>>diff --git a/usr/include/Makefile b/usr/include/Makefile
>>>>index 1c2ae1368079..6a8c7dd9ccaf 100644
>>>>--- a/usr/include/Makefile
>>>>+++ b/usr/include/Makefile
>>>>@@ -12,6 +12,9 @@ UAPI_CFLAGS := -std=c90 -Wall 
>>>> # It is here just because CONFIG_CC_CAN_LINK is tested with 
>>>>-m32 or -m64.
>>>> UAPI_CFLAGS += $(filter -m32 -m64, $(KBUILD_CFLAGS))
>>>>+# USERCFLAGS might contain sysroot location for CC
>>>Do we need to worry about USERLDFLAGS here, too? (or usr/Makefile?)
>>>> override c_flags = $(UAPI_CFLAGS) -Wp,-MMD,$(depfile) 
>>>> # The following are excluded for now because they fail to build.
>>>~Nick Desaulniers

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-28 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-12 22:43 Elliot Berman
2022-01-26 18:21 ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-01-27 11:25   ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-01-28  3:15   ` Fangrui Song
2022-01-28 19:40     ` Elliot Berman
2022-01-28 20:10       ` Fangrui Song [this message]
2022-01-28 20:06   ` Elliot Berman
2022-01-28  2:40 ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-01-28 22:08 ` [PATCH v2] " Elliot Berman
2022-01-28 22:45   ` Fangrui Song
2022-01-28 22:49     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-01-28 23:26       ` Elliot Berman
2022-01-28 23:29         ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-01-28 22:48   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-01 21:35 ` [PATCH v3] " Elliot Berman
2022-02-01 21:38   ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-01 22:03     ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-02-08 22:53     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-10  0:29       ` Masahiro Yamada

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