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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
Cc: Joao Moreira <joao@overdrivepizza.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	hjl.tools@gmail.com, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/6] objtool: Add IBT validation / fixups
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:53:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220215205349.GC23216@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABCJKuf-wouSCh4u43GPQHPPgG=mqOGboSoHPQRfmgQSBkFrMg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 08:56:03AM -0800, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:25 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:38:18PM -0800, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> > > I'm fine with adding a trap mode that's used by default, but having
> > > more helpful diagnostics when something fails is useful even in
> > > production systems in my experience. This change results in a vmlinux
> > > that's another 0.92% smaller.
> >
> > You can easily have the exception generate a nice warning, you can even
> > have it continue. You really don't need a call for that.
> 
> Sure, but wouldn't that require us to generate something like
> __bug_table, so we know where the CFI specific traps are?

Yes, but since you're going to emit a retpoline, and objtool already
generates a list of retpoline sites, we can abuse that. If the
instruction after the trap is a retpoline site, we a CFI fail.

> > > In this case the function has two indirect calls and Clang seems to
> > > prefer to emit just one ud2.
> >
> > That will not allow you to recover from the exception. UD2 is not an
> > unconditional fail. It should have an out-going edge in this case too.
> 
> Yes, CFI failures are not recoverable in that code. In fact, LLVM
> assumes that the llvm.trap intrinsic (i.e. ud2) never returns, but I
> suppose we could just use an int3 instead. I assume that's sufficient
> to stop speculation?

It is. int3 is also smaller by one byte, but the exception is already
fairly complicated, but I can see if we can make it work.

> > Also, you really should add a CS prefix to the retpoline thunk call if
> > you insist on using r11 (or any of the higher regs).
> 
> I actually didn't touch the retpoline thunk call, that's exactly the
> code Clang normally generates.

Yeah, and it needs help, also see:

  https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20211119165630.276205624@infradead.org/

Specifically, clang needs to:

 - CS prefix stuff the retpoline thunk call/jmp;
 - stop doing conditional indirect tail-calls.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-15 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-22 17:03 [RFC][PATCH 0/6] x86: Kernel IBT beginnings Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/6] x86: Annotate _THIS_IP_ Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-23 13:53   ` Mark Rutland
2021-11-23 14:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 18:18       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/6] x86: Base IBT bits Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-08 23:32   ` Kees Cook
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/6] x86: Add ENDBR to IRET-to-Self Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 18:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-08 23:33     ` Kees Cook
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/6] objtool: Read the _THIS_IP_ hints Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/6] x86: Sprinkle ENDBR dust Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-23 14:00   ` Mark Rutland
2021-11-23 14:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-08 23:38     ` Kees Cook
2021-11-22 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/6] objtool: Add IBT validation / fixups Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 19:30   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-08 23:43     ` Kees Cook
2022-02-09  5:09       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-09 11:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-09 11:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-24  2:05   ` joao
2022-02-08 23:42     ` Kees Cook
2022-02-09  2:21       ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-09  4:05         ` Kees Cook
2022-02-09  5:18           ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-11 13:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-14 21:38               ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-02-14 22:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-15 16:56                   ` Sami Tolvanen
2022-02-15 20:03                     ` Kees Cook
2022-02-15 21:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-15 23:05                         ` Kees Cook
2022-02-15 23:38                           ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-16 12:24                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-15 20:53                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-02-15 22:45               ` Joao Moreira
2022-02-16  0:57               ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-02  3:06               ` Peter Collingbourne
2022-03-02  3:32                 ` Joao Moreira
2022-06-08 17:53                 ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-06-09  0:05                   ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-11-23  7:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/6] x86: Kernel IBT beginnings Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-23  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-08 23:48 ` Kees Cook
2022-02-09  0:09 ` Nick Desaulniers

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