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* Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
@ 2008-01-14 8:01 Martin Knoblauch
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From: Martin Knoblauch @ 2008-01-14 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Martin Knoblauch, Chris Snook; +Cc: linux-kernel, linux-nfs
----- Original Message ----
> From: Martin Knoblauch <spamtrap@knobisoft.de>
> To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org; spam trap <spamtrap@knobisoft.de>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Chris Snook
> > To: Martin Knoblauch
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:45:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Strange NFS write performance
> Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS,
>
maybe VW related
> >
> > Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > currently I am tracking down an "interesting" effect when writing
>
> > 3) It sounds like the bottleneck is the vxfs filesystem. It
> > only *appears* on the client side because writes up
> until
>
dirty_ratio
> > get buffered on the client.
> > If you can confirm that the server is actually writing stuff to
> > disk slower when the client is in writeback mode, then it's possible
> > the Linux NFSclient is doing something inefficient in
> writeback
>
mode.
> >
>
> so, is the output of "iostat -d -l1 d111" during two runs. The
> first
>
run is with 750 MB, the second with 850MB.
>
> // 750MB
> $ iostat -d -l 1 md111 2
> md111
> kps tps serv
> 22 0 14
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 13
> 29347 468 12
> 37040 593 17
> 30938 492 25
> 30421 491 25
> 41626 676 16
> 42913 703 14
> 39890 647 15
> 9009 141 7
> 8963 141 7
> 5143 81 7
> 34814 547 10
> 49323 775 12
> 28624 451 6
> 22 1 6
> #### finish
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
>
> Here it seems that the disk is writing for 26-28 seconds with avg.
> 29
>
MB/sec. Fine.
>
> // 850MB
> $ iostat -d -l 1 md111 2
> md111
> kps tps serv
> 0 0 0
> 11275 180 10
> 39874 635 14
> 37403 587 17
> 24341 392 30
> 25989 423 26
> 22464 375 30
> 21922 361 32
> 27924 450 26
> 21507 342 21
> 9217 153 15
> 9260 150 15
> 9544 155 15
> 9298 150 14
> 10118 162 11
> 15505 250 12
> 27513 448 14
> 26698 436 15
> 26144 431 15
> 25201 412 14
> #### 38 seconds in run
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 579 17 12
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 518 9 16
> 485 8 6
> 9 1 7
> 514 9 7
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 541 9 8
> 532 10 6
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 650 12 7
> 0 0 0
> 242 8 9
> 1023 18 5
> 304 5 6
> 418 8 7
> 283 5 5
> 303 5 8
> 527 10 6
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 5 1 13
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 11
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 0 0 0
> 1 0 15
> 0 0 0
> 96 2 15
> 138 3 10
> 11057 175 6
> 17549 280 6
> 351 8 5
> 0 0 0
> ##### 218 seconds in run, finish.
>
> So, for the first 38 seconds everything looks similar to the 750
> MB case. For the next about 180 seconds most time nothing happens.
> Averaging 4.1 MB/sec.
>
> Maybe it is time to capture the traffic. What are the best
> tcpdump parameters for NFS? I always forget :-(
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
Hi,
now that the seasonal festivities are over - Happy New Year btw. - any comments/suggestions on my problem?
Cheers
Martin
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* Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
@ 2007-12-29 11:11 Martin Knoblauch
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From: Martin Knoblauch @ 2007-12-29 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Snook; +Cc: linux-kernel, linux-nfs, spam trap
----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
> To: Martin Knoblauch <spamtrap@knobisoft.de>
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:45:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
>
> Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > currently I am tracking down an "interesting" effect when writing
> 3) It sounds like the bottleneck is the vxfs filesystem. It
> only *appears* on the client side because writes up until dirty_ratio
> get buffered on the client.
> If you can confirm that the server is actually writing stuff to
> disk slower when the client is in writeback mode, then it's possible
> the Linux NFSclient is doing something inefficient in writeback mode.
>
so, is the output of "iostat -d -l1 d111" during two runs. The first run is with 750 MB, the second with 850MB.
// 750MB
$ iostat -d -l 1 md111 2
md111
kps tps serv
22 0 14
0 0 0
0 0 13
29347 468 12
37040 593 17
30938 492 25
30421 491 25
41626 676 16
42913 703 14
39890 647 15
9009 141 7
8963 141 7
5143 81 7
34814 547 10
49323 775 12
28624 451 6
22 1 6
#### finish
0 0 0
0 0 0
Here it seems that the disk is writing for 26-28 seconds with avg. 29 MB/sec. Fine.
// 850MB
$ iostat -d -l 1 md111 2
md111
kps tps serv
0 0 0
11275 180 10
39874 635 14
37403 587 17
24341 392 30
25989 423 26
22464 375 30
21922 361 32
27924 450 26
21507 342 21
9217 153 15
9260 150 15
9544 155 15
9298 150 14
10118 162 11
15505 250 12
27513 448 14
26698 436 15
26144 431 15
25201 412 14
#### 38 seconds in run
0 0 0
0 0 0
579 17 12
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
518 9 16
485 8 6
9 1 7
514 9 7
0 0 0
0 0 0
541 9 8
532 10 6
0 0 0
0 0 0
650 12 7
0 0 0
242 8 9
1023 18 5
304 5 6
418 8 7
283 5 5
303 5 8
527 10 6
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
5 1 13
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 11
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
1 0 15
0 0 0
96 2 15
138 3 10
11057 175 6
17549 280 6
351 8 5
0 0 0
##### 218 seconds in run, finish.
So, for the first 38 seconds everything looks similar to the 750 MB case. For the next about 180 seconds most time nothing happens. Averaging 4.1 MB/sec.
Maybe it is time to capture the traffic. What are the best tcpdump parameters for NFS? I always forget :-(
Cheers
Martin
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* Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
@ 2007-12-29 9:59 Martin Knoblauch
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From: Martin Knoblauch @ 2007-12-29 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Snook; +Cc: linux-kernel, linux-nfs, spam trap
----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
> To: Martin Knoblauch <spamtrap@knobisoft.de>
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:45:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
>
> Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > currently I am tracking down an "interesting" effect when writing
> to
>
a
> > Solars-10/Sparc based server. The server exports two filesystems.
> One
>
UFS,
> > one VXFS. The filesystems are mounted NFS3/TCP, no special
> options.
>
Linux
> > kernel in question is 2.6.24-rc6, but it happens with earlier kernels
> > (2.6.19.2, 2.6.22.6) as well. The client is x86_64 with 8 GB of ram.
> >
> > The problem: when writing to the VXFS based filesystem,
> performance
>
drops
> > dramatically when the the filesize reaches or exceeds
> "dirty_ratio".
>
For a
> > dirty_ratio of 10% (about 800MB) files below 750 MB are
> transfered
>
with about
> > 30 MB/sec. Anything above 770 MB drops down to below 10 MB/sec. If
> I
>
perform
> > the same tests on the UFS based FS, performance stays at about
> 30
>
MB/sec
> > until 3GB and likely larger (I just stopped at 3 GB).
> >
> > Any ideas what could cause this difference? Any suggestions
> on
>
debugging it?
>
> 1) Try normal NFS tuning, such as rsize/wsize tuning.
>
rsize/wsize only have minimal effect. The negotiated size seems to be optimal.
> 2) You're entering synchronous writeback mode, so you can delay the
>
problem by raising dirty_ratio to 100, or reduce the size of the problem
> by lowering dirty_ratio to 1. Either one could help.
>
For experiments, sure. But I do not think that I want to have 8 GB of dirty pages [potentially] laying around. Are you sure that 1% is a useful value for dirty_ratio? Looking at the code, it seems a minimum of 5% is enforced in "page-writeback.c:get_dirty_limits":
dirty_ratio = vm_dirty_ratio;
if (dirty_ratio > unmapped_ratio / 2)
dirty_ratio = unmapped_ratio / 2;
if (dirty_ratio < 5)
dirty_ratio = 5;
> 3) It sounds like the bottleneck is the vxfs filesystem. It only
>
*appears* on the client side because writes up until dirty_ratio get buffered on
> the client.
Sure, the fact that a UFS (or SAM-FS) based FS behaves well in the same situation points in that direction.
> If you can confirm that the server is actually writing stuff to disk
>
slower when the client is in writeback mode, then it's possible the Linux
> NFS client is doing something inefficient in writeback mode.
>
I will try to get an iostat trace from the Sun side. Thanks for the suggestion.
Cheers
Martin
PS: Happy Year 2008 to all Kernel Hackers and their families
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* Re: Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
2007-12-28 15:24 Martin Knoblauch
@ 2007-12-28 18:45 ` Chris Snook
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From: Chris Snook @ 2007-12-28 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Martin Knoblauch; +Cc: linux-kernel, linux-nfs
Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> currently I am tracking down an "interesting" effect when writing to a
> Solars-10/Sparc based server. The server exports two filesystems. One UFS,
> one VXFS. The filesystems are mounted NFS3/TCP, no special options. Linux
> kernel in question is 2.6.24-rc6, but it happens with earlier kernels
> (2.6.19.2, 2.6.22.6) as well. The client is x86_64 with 8 GB of ram.
>
> The problem: when writing to the VXFS based filesystem, performance drops
> dramatically when the the filesize reaches or exceeds "dirty_ratio". For a
> dirty_ratio of 10% (about 800MB) files below 750 MB are transfered with about
> 30 MB/sec. Anything above 770 MB drops down to below 10 MB/sec. If I perform
> the same tests on the UFS based FS, performance stays at about 30 MB/sec
> until 3GB and likely larger (I just stopped at 3 GB).
>
> Any ideas what could cause this difference? Any suggestions on debugging it?
1) Try normal NFS tuning, such as rsize/wsize tuning.
2) You're entering synchronous writeback mode, so you can delay the problem by
raising dirty_ratio to 100, or reduce the size of the problem by lowering
dirty_ratio to 1. Either one could help.
3) It sounds like the bottleneck is the vxfs filesystem. It only *appears* on
the client side because writes up until dirty_ratio get buffered on the client.
If you can confirm that the server is actually writing stuff to disk slower
when the client is in writeback mode, then it's possible the Linux NFS client is
doing something inefficient in writeback mode.
-- Chris
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* Strange NFS write performance Linux->Solaris-10/VXFS, maybe VW related
@ 2007-12-28 15:24 Martin Knoblauch
2007-12-28 18:45 ` Chris Snook
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Martin Knoblauch @ 2007-12-28 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel; +Cc: linux-nfs
Hi,
currently I am tracking down an "interesting" effect when writing to a Solars-10/Sparc based server. The server exports two filesystems. One UFS, one VXFS. The filesystems are mounted NFS3/TCP, no special options. Linux kernel in question is 2.6.24-rc6, but it happens with earlier kernels (2.6.19.2, 2.6.22.6) as well. The client is x86_64 with 8 GB of ram.
The problem: when writing to the VXFS based filesystem, performance drops dramatically when the the filesize reaches or exceeds "dirty_ratio". For a dirty_ratio of 10% (about 800MB) files below 750 MB are transfered with about 30 MB/sec. Anything above 770 MB drops down to below 10 MB/sec. If I perform the same tests on the UFS based FS, performance stays at about 30 MB/sec until 3GB and likely larger (I just stopped at 3 GB).
Any ideas what could cause this difference? Any suggestions on debugging it?
spsdm5:/lfs/test_ufs on /mnt/test_ufs type nfs (rw,proto=tcp,nfsvers=3,hard,intr,addr=160.50.118.37)
spsdm5:/lfs/test_vxfs on /mnt/test_vxfs type nfs (rw,proto=tcp,nfsvers=3,hard,intr,addr=160.50.118.37)
Cheers
Martin
PS: Please CC me, as I am not subscribed. Don't worry about the spamtrap name :-)
------------------------------------------------------
Martin Knoblauch
email: k n o b i AT knobisoft DOT de
www: http://www.knobisoft.de
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